[MHB] +6 on all attributes for 200,000 ?

[Pax]

+12 to all stats would cost 1,440,000 gp, though; certainly more than the combined item, by all accounts.

Actually, +12 to one attribute costs 1,440,000gp -- it's an epic item, and suffers a x10 cost multiplier.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Using x2 for the rest is dumb. For the same price, you could put each ability into separate _slotless_ items and just keep them in your pocket.

Exactly. Because that's what it is. It doesn't matter if you get 5 slotless items that increase your ability scores or if you put them on another item. The end result's the same: 6 boosts - one slot.

So my method isn't "dumb" at all.

 

[kreynolds]

So my method isn't "dumb" at all.

Yeah, I think "dumb" was a bit harsh. But, I have to advise against it. Clearly, to me, anyway, a +6 to all stats item that doesn't take up a body slot is more valuable than a +6 to all stats item that takes up only one body slot, which in turn is more valuable than 6 separate items, each granting +6 to one stat.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Actually, no. If the item takes a slot, you double the cost of the first power (as per the table in the DMG) and then apply a 50% increase to the additional powers (as per the pricing sidebar in the DMG).

Then screw the official crap. Putting more dissimilar powers on one slot is the same as using ioun stones (or other slotless items) for it. And different stat boosts are very dissimilar in power, since they work with totally different ability scores. If it were +x on spot as well as listen or something like that, I'd be inclined to make it cost less.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Clearly, to me, anyway, a +6 to all stats item that doesn't take up a body slot is more valuable than a +6 to all stats item that takes up only one body slot, which in turn is more valuable than 6 separate items, each granting +6 to one stat.

A belt of +6 to all, as far as I'm concerned, the same as a belt of giant strength +6 and 5 ioun stones with +6 to the other ability scores. so you get 1x1 and 5x2. 1x2 and 5*1.5 isn't enough.

Of course, a slotless item with +6 to all has to cost even more: 6x2.

 

[kreynolds]

Then screw the official crap.

I edited my message, so you might have missed part of it. You're not locked into using both. Note that the Sage says that you generally follow just the table. Basically, use whichever method that gets you a price you're most comfortable with.

Putting more dissimilar powers on one slot is the same as using ioun stones (or other slotless items) for it.

Not at all. Six ioun stones don't take up any precious slots, thus they are more valuable than an item that _does_ take up a slot. Thus, it only makes sense that six +6 to stat ioun stones would be more expensive than a single +6 to all stats magic item that does take up a single body slot. It won't be that _much_ more expensive, but it's still more expensive nonetheless.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Not at all. Six ioun stones don't take up any precious slots, thus they are more valuable than an item that _does_ take up a slot. Thus, it only makes sense that six +6 to stat ioun stones would be more expensive than a single +6 to all stats magic item that does take up a single body slot. It won't be that _much_ more expensive, but it's still more expensive nonetheless.

What I meant is 1 belt + 5 stones.

 

[kreynolds]

A belt of +6 to all, as far as I'm concerned, the same as a belt of giant strength +6 and 5 ioun stones with +6 to the other ability scores. so you get 1x1 and 5x2. 1x2 and 5*1.5 isn't enough.

Here's some prices just for comparison purposes. For me, it helps when I can see all of them at once.

Single item, +6 to all stats, takes up a slot, 3.0...
6*6*1000=36000
6*6*1000*2=72000
6*6*1000*2=72000
6*6*1000*2=72000
6*6*1000*2=72000
6*6*1000*2=72000
Total=396,000

Single item, +6 to all stats, takes up a slot, 3.5 (not taking into account body slot affinity yet), using just the table...
6*6*1000*2=72000
6*6*1000=36000
6*6*1000=36000
6*6*1000=36000
6*6*1000=36000
6*6*1000=36000
Total=252,000

Single item, +6 to all stats, takes up a slot, 3.5 (not taking into account body slot affinity yet), using just the sidebar...
6*6*1000=36000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
Total=306,000

Single item, +6 to all stats, takes up a slot, 3.5 (not taking into account body slot affinity yet), using both the table and the sidebar...
6*6*1000*2=72000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
6*6*1000*1.5=54000
Total=342,000

Single item, +6 to all stats, does not take up a slot, 3.5 (not taking into account body slot affinity yet)...
6*6*1000*2=72000*6=432,000

Of course, a slotless item with +6 to all has to cost even more: 6x2.

Of course, and as you can see above, it does indeed, whether in 3.0 or even 3.5.

 

[kreynolds]

What I meant is 1 belt + 5 stones.

Oh, ok. I gotcha now. 396K vs. 342K (my first and last example above). I see the disparity now. I suppose I could justify the disparity due to the utility of the ioun stones, that they're separate items, can be used in any combination or lack there of, while in the case of the single item, you're stuck with what it does, unable to alter the "set". That's reason enough for me to justify the lower cost of the latter.

 

[arntof]

This Book is filled with other items that are relatively useful that are severy underpriced as well...the other belts, for example.