Welverin
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Conservative Cow said:3) Whats the diffrence between the elves in the Golden wood and Lothlorian? ( Spelling on that one again? )
Anyone think he may have meant Mirkwood and Lothlorien instead?
Conservative Cow said:3) Whats the diffrence between the elves in the Golden wood and Lothlorian? ( Spelling on that one again? )
Agback:
That is the obvious consequence of what Tolkien originally wrote about orcs. And there are hints in the conversation between Shagrat and Gorbag that they may be at least seven thousand years old.
Welverin:
Anyone think he may have meant Mirkwood and Lothlorien instead?
Joshua Dyal said:That's an urban myth. I hear it all over the net but it's absolutely untrue. There are no such hints in their conversation that aren't easier to ascribe to some other meaning other than extreme longevity in orcs.
In addition, your use of the term archangel for the valar and maiar is a bit misleading perhaps, although it is also common.
Conservative Cow said:2) At anytime in ME history, could have anyone challenged Suaron's power?
Joshua Dyal said:There is nothing in the conversation that indicates Shagrat and Gorbag literally remember a time before Big Bosses, although certainly they know of such times. There's no need to cast them back to the time before the rise of Sauron.
And even if you do, that was only 60 some odd years ago. The orcs during The Hobbit didn't have Big Bosses in the sense of working for Sauron, as Sauron wasn't arisen and declared at that time. There were plenty of "free" orcs roaming the world, and likely the land of Mordor, at that time, since Sauron was undeclared and disguised as "The Necromancer" of Mirkwood.
In addition, people do refer to the good old days.
ColonelHardisson said:The southern land was called Harad. The people were Haradrim.