Monk Damage?

[DireWeasel]

If a monk is specializing in using a kama (1d6 damage, same as 1st level monk's unarmed damage) and eventully acheives level 4. Would he do 1d8 unarmed and 1d6 with the weapon?

Because it is a monk weapon and you use unarmed BAB and other bonuses, would you use the increased damage as well? Otherwise why would you use monk weapons?

Any inmput would be appreciated.. thinking of playing a weapon-based monk.

Dire Weasel

 

[LufiaLillystorm]

I think that would be better answered in the Rules section

However I think you are right...it makes sense, no?

 

[med stud]

No, damage from monk weapons doesnt increase. The main reason for monks to use weapon is when they are enchanted, either so that the monk can hit a DR, or that is just plain more effective (for example, the average damage for a 1d8 unarmed strike and a nuncaku +1 is the same, but the nunchaku has a +1 to hit too).

 

[DireWeasel]

What about Ki Strike? That's for DR..

So after level 4 you should just use Unamred Strikes, unless there is something you really can't hit without Ki Strike. then i'm sure the normal weapon wielders in the group would have +1 etc weapons that deal alot more damage than 1d6.

Would it be reasonable to make a feat to allow unarmed damage on monk weapons?

Thanks fo tthe thoughts so far,

Dire Weasel

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Well, Monk player s wet dream would be 3 +1 (Insert Energy Type) Returning Shuriken. 1d6+2 points of damage, 1d6 points of it guarenteed against most opponents, and 3 of them per round with the best attack bonus, and all at a target that is not yet in melee.

I do not think it would be a wise idea to have a feat that allows improving damage of weapons in this way. You could multiclass into Fighter or Psionic warrior (but depending on your interpretation of the rule, the Unarmed Base Attack Bonus might greatly suffer from this).
If, at all, it should be a Prestige Class.

I believe in Forgotten Realms, there does exist the Sure Striking Enhancement: You ignore any Damage Reduction up to +5. (So DR x / - would not be ignored.) Market price modifier +1.
So, you could get a + surestriking flaming corrosive nunchaku. 3d6+1+STR points of damage. (This example would cost you a +4 market price modifier. +1 base, +1 sure strike, +1 flaming, +1 corrosive)

Damagewise, the fighter will probably always be the best in combat.
But a Monk gains more attacks (but a lower attack bonus), and he gains some useful feats. A tripped opponent is much easier to hit, and a much lower threat than a standing one.
A stunned target makes every rogue happy (at least for one round, and if the rogue is not the stunned target )

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[DireWeasel]

The Shuriken isn't a monk weapon. They are proficient, yes, but that's not what I mean.

The Monk weapons Kama, Nunchaku, and Siangham can use Unarmed BAB. Those weapons shoul dallow for greater damage. If you can use them in the unarmed style, why not allow them to do the damamge? Extra attacks are nice, but I'd just use my hands and deal all the extra damage as well.

I've been reading Oriental Adventures and spending alot of time reading about the monk (martial arts yay!) and thinking about a character.

Dire Weasel

 

[The Iron Mark]

The reason they're there is beacuse Ki Strike goes only so high, and to do different types of damage.

 

[~Joseph~]

why bother, if I'm using a weapon that does the same damage with the same bab, why not just use my unarmed stike, that seems like a waiste of money that I could have used to buy something else with. If you want to do extra damage with magical abilities, take a level or 2 of sorc and take only touch attacks, therefore you do normal unarmed damage + spell damage. I don't really see the need to have increasing damage with a weapon, the reason monks get increasing damage is becuase they don't get better weapons, that's the whole point of being a monk, to rely on your body and not tools to achieve your goals

 

[DireWeasel]

I like the monk, but I wanted to make a monk that dealt alot with a kama, and I realized at level 4 he's doing more damamge without it.

Maybe sorcer is a good idea, touch attacks and the like. But I kinda wanted to use a weapon.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.

Dire Weasel

 

[The Furious Puffin]

Because attempting to punch a fire elemental might be a *really* bad idea in your game!

(IMC I would rule the monk would take damage if he was attampting inherently hostile things like that unarmed)