Monstrous Imponderables

demiurge1138

Inventor of Super-Toast
This thread is intended for people to post questions about the monsters we all know and love in DnD and see if we can get some answers. I was inspired to make this thread when I was pondering...

1. Why are centaurs chaotic good? In Greek mythology they're boorish thugs who travel Greece getting drunk and raping women! That's hardly CG behavior.

2. Why are illithids aberrations? They have less bizarre anatomies than most monstrous humanoids.

Any answers or other questions?

Demiurge out.
 

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1. i would remind you that 1E D&D and previous version took significant liberties with mythological creatures. EGG and the other developers rewrote such monsters as they saw fit, to fill whatever space in their campaign they needed filled.

2. i think of the illithid works as an aberration because they are SO different from any other humanoid-shaped being. their minds are very alien (which is one of the possible prerequisites for aberration) and their anatomy and societal functions are so bizarre.
 

1. I would like to add that centaurs weren't really evil beings in greek mythology. For example: the centaur Cheiron was a respected person, who taught among others Jason of the Argonauts and Heracles (who eventualy caused his death).
They did struggle with their bestial half, and sometimes they would act like beasts.
For example, the centaur Nessus carried Heracles' wife across a torrent on his back, when the animal nature got the better of him and he tried to rape her. Hercules heared her screams and killed Nessus.
Also, a centaur with alcohol was a deadly combination. At the wedding of Peirithous the centaurs were given wine, and it caused them to fight with the other guests. They killed Caeneus then too (the guy who was supposed to be immortal).

In D&D terms, I think a centaur should have Alignment: neutral or good, and a Special Quality that change their alignment to chaotic evil when they drink alcohol. They should also make a will save when they're around women, if they fail, their bestial nature takes over... :)
 
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2. In my humble opinon the Illithids (and the brain collector as well) should be outsiders as both are clearly natives of the Far Realms...
 

1. About Chiron, the only reason for his goodness was that he was the half-brother of Zeus. After all, Chronos was a philanderer as well...

2. I should have remembered the whole alien mindset cavet.

Any other questions?
 

OK, I've got another one.

In Fiend Folio 3e, the shedu has a fifth leg. Where did that come from? Are there any shedu in Sumerian/Babylonian myth with five legs?
 

demiurge1138 said:
In Fiend Folio 3e, the shedu has a fifth leg. Where did that come from? Are there any shedu in Sumerian/Babylonian myth with five legs?

I'm not sure, but they may come about because of how many shedu are sculpted. They're sculpted in a manner wherein foiur legs are visible from each side - it's hard to explain, but it could look like they have five legs. But none of the earlier editions did...hmm.
 


Richards said:
The answer to the "five-legged shedu" question can be found HERE, about halfway down the page.

Hey! I was about to cross post it!

I'll just link the image, and an excerpt of the commentary, for the lazy ones:

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Stone sculptures of mythological figures, sculpted in relief or in the round, were often placed as guardians at gateways to palaces and temples in ancient Mesopotamia. These figures were known to the Assyrians as lamassu. They were designed to protect the palace from demonic forces, and may even have guarded the entrance to the private apartments of the king. The figure has five legs, so that when viewed from the front it stands firm, while when viewed from the side it appears to be striding forward to combat evil. The 'Standard Inscription' of Ashurnasirpal, common to many of his reliefs, is inscribed between the figure's legs. It records the King's titles, ancestry and achievements.


As for why illithids are aberration, one has to remember their humanoid shape don't comes from their nature, but from the fact they are a parasitic specie that take over their host and mutate it. The new Fiend Folio has even made a template to apply it to other creatures than human (an odd choice, I always considered they used orcs, creatures more commonly found in the underdark, with stronger physical bodies, and a higher reproductive rate).

Now, on to questions of my own:

Why are centaurs and wemics monstrous humanoids, sphinxes and lamias magical beasts, and hybsil feys ?

Why aren't sahuagin and locathah monstrous humanoids ? I have trouble with a charm person spell working on a sahuagin but not on a centaur...

Why aren't Dragonne dragons ?

Why are athach aberrations, when avariels aren't ? Especially considered they were found in the Giant entry in previous beastiaries. Possible answer would be having a giant the dwarves, gnomes, and giant-"favoring" rangers would get no bonus against.

Why is channeling energy from the Negative Plane a school in its own right, while channeling energy from the Positive Plane is a Conjuration subschool ? Oops, the topic is monster questions.

Why aren't (Positive) and (Negative) possible subtypes for outsiders coming from the energy planes, just like we have subtypes for the elements and alignment planes ? Devourer and nightshades seems more Outsider (Negative) than actual Undead to me. (Note that undead traits could be a package of the (Negative) subtype.)

Why aren't humanoid subtype more often used to non-humanoid creatures that are related anyway ? Only official example I know is the Dekanter Goblin (a Monstrous Humanoid (Goblinoid)). As I said in other threads (see the "Creature by Poll 4" related ones), I consider Azers are Outsider (Dwarf, Fire, Lawful).

Why are animal stats so silly ? Cats have a -4 Dex penalty compared to average stats of animals of their size, according to the MM2 charts. Real world donkies are smarter than horses. Lots of real world animals would have Int greater than 2, by the way.

Why do small skeletons and zombies move at the same speed as their larger "brethren", when they are supposed to be slower because of shorter legs ?

Why do goblins and kobolds move at 30 ft. speed without that being a goblin/kobold trait (like the 20 ft. move speed is a dwarf trait) ?

Why are hill giants so charismatic ?

Why is the nightwing's transformation bite so enigmatic ?

Why is the new marilith so famished you want to give humanitarian food rations ?
 

Here's one. Why do Dwarves have dark skin and Elves have light skin even though the former live underground and aren't as exposed to the sun as the surface-dwellling latter, who have plae skin?
 

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