More on Enterprise's "new direction" [Slight Rant, long]

[EarthsShadow]

I like Enterprise, I think its a cool trek show. Not as cool as DS9, but way cooler than Voyager.

What did you think of the Borg episode? That was cool, and it answered why the Borg were on their way to Earth in TNG.

I also like the new direction they are taking. To me it makes sense, and I think this story arc they have is definately part of the TCW. Plus, if they cancelled the show I'll be upset and I have all episdoes recoreded and I want to get the entire show recorded cuz I can.

And no matter what, at least we all got to see T'Pal in heat.

 

[el-remmen]

If only I had hopes that the show's "new direction" included no longer using cheap sexual innuendo or cheesecake to sell their show. . . It is just so obvious and so stupid. . . That T'Pal episode made me gag.

I think Enterprise would be a better show if they pretended like it really was the first of the Star Trek series and not worry about using old races and villians - I would love to see some fights between Starfleet and some old fashioned Romulan ships, who's captain's refuse to make visual contact - and stuff like that.

I think old time fans like me would be interested in seeing how cleverly they can introduce and develop these well-known figures - while people who are new to Star Trek would be able to learn all this stuff for the first time.

 

[Mark]

If only I had hopes that the show's "new direction" included no longer using cheap sexual innuendo or cheesecake to sell their show. . . It is just so obvious and so stupid. . . That T'Pal episode made me gag.

The Pon'fa (sp?) has been a staple of the ST franchise, and every main vulcan character has had to deal with it, since the inception of the show. To not do it now, simply because this vulcan is female, would be a cop out.

I think Enterprise would be a better show if they pretended like it really was the first of the Star Trek series and not worry about using old races and villians - I would love to see some fights between Starfleet and some old fashioned Romulan ships, who's captain's refuse to make visual contact - and stuff like that.

That seems very contradictory.

I think old time fans like me would be interested in seeing how cleverly they can introduce and develop these well-known figures - while people who are new to Star Trek would be able to learn all this stuff for the first time.

How are you defining "old time fan"?

 

[Mallus]

I'll watch the finale, and next season, but...

... I can't help feeling that taking Enterprise in a radical new direction, with a new central conflict/antagonist race is a mistake. Or worse, a capitulation by the creative team. An admission that they couldn't find anything interesting to do with the early Federation mythos and with the characters they crewed the Enterprise with.

Its a bit like watching Gidget Goes to Rome {perhaps the most underrated of the Gidget Films}, only to find half-way through they get bored and travel to some town in the Bavarian Alps. Worse, while Gidget was in Rome she hardly ever left her hotel and sat around being various shades of neurotic...

OK, so it may not be that bad...

And I think a statement like "I don't think to see too much of the Romulans. We already know the Romulans." is a little absurd. Its like the director a fan-service anime saying "I don't think we need to see any panty-shots. We've seen enough panties."

 

[Silver Moon]

....taking Enterprise in a radical new direction...Its a bit like watching Gidget Goes to Rome...

Wow! I've followed various message threads and articles about Trek but this is the first time that a Gidget analogy has cropped up. Think about it: Both were successful television shows from the 1960's; both had successful movie franchises; both had cast members who went on to fame and fortune; both had fan clubs, novels and fanzines!

So I think we've hit upon the solution to the problem. We take old "Gidget" scripts and adapt them to Star Trek for use with the Enterprise show. Oops, gotta go, time to take my medication...

 

[Mark]

And I think a statement like "I don't think to see too much of the Romulans. We already know the Romulans." is a little absurd. Its like the director a fan-service anime saying "I don't think we need to see any panty-shots. We've seen enough panties."

Sometimes the panties need to be removed altogether...

Are the Xindi on the list of Federation Members? Who's on that list? Is it complete? Is it posible to add a member to that list, or even add something new like a villain that doesn't ever get to be a Federation member to the ST universe without some fans getting their panties in a bunch? Hmm... I guess sometimes the panties do need to be removed altogether...

So I think we've hit upon the solution to the problem. We take old "Gidget" scripts and adapt them to Star Trek for use with the Enterprise show. Oops, gotta go, time to take my medication...

Gidget, gadget, whatever...

 

[rafrost]

When do the Romulans get warp drive?

Ummm,

I thought the romulans didn't have warp drive in their first war with the federation.

Seems like an awful long trip, just to cause trouble...

 

[Umbran]

If only I had hopes that the show's "new direction" included no longer using cheap sexual innuendo or cheesecake to sell their show. . .
[...snip...]
I think old time fans like me would be interested in seeing how cleverly they can introduce and develop these well-known figures - while people who are new to Star Trek would be able to learn all this stuff for the first time.

Considering how much cheesecake was in TOS, yes, I expect old time fans would be interested in developing well known "figures".

 

[myrdden]

Re: When do the Romulans get warp drive?

Ummm,

I thought the romulans didn't have warp drive in their first war with the federation.

Seems like an awful long trip, just to cause trouble...

I think that's just a relic from the past. It was a plot device used in TOS to allow for a "Submarine-type-chase" story. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense now - but the episode is still a classic.

If you looking for a less meta-show type explanation, I believe it was revealed in either TNG or DS9 that the Romulans used a different power source. It was a quantum singularity as opposed to matter/anti-matter/dylithium crystal source. One could argue that the difference in technology could cause Scotty (in TOS) to say they had no Warp power.

Myrdden

 

[el-remmen]

The Pon'fa (sp?) has been a staple of the ST franchise, and every main vulcan character has had to deal with it, since the inception of the show. To not do it now, simply because this vulcan is female, would be a cop out.

Well, you must mean that Benson or whatever that Vulcan on Voyager's name had to deal with it, too - but I wouldn't know - since I thought Voyager was pretty horrible and hardly ever watched it.

Spock had to deal with it . .. but couldn't they have waited to see if the show lasted 7 years first

You have to admit they use every excuse on that show to show was much T'Pal as possible and Hoshi as well. They are pretty and all, but I don't like my intelligence being insulted.

Define old-time fan.

Uh, someone who grew up watching TOS episodes on Sunday afternoons and who watched most of TNG.


Actually, over at this thread over in Nutkinland I said what Enterprise needs to make it a "real" Trek show - more flawed God-like beings, situations involving the unknown and unexplainable, magic-like technology - it needs the awe and the weirdness factor that TOS had.