More on Enterprise's "new direction" [Slight Rant, long]

[Viking Bastard]

Do we have to do the VOY thing?

Here's the thing, even though I didn't like VOY as much in the
later seasons as the earlier (the little focus the show had, just
vanished in vapor) I still enjoyed the run. I just didn't like it as
much as the other Trek shows. Instead of feeling passionate
about it, like the Buffyverse shows, shows I thoroughly enjoyed
and couldn't wait for the each new episode, VOY went into the
I'll-watch-if-it-I-ain't-doing-something-more-fun with shows like
Law & Order and the hordes of mediocre sitcoms. It was allright
but I'll never buy the DVDs.

Fortunately, for the show, I was never really anything more fun
in it's time spots, so I usually watched it. That is, until the 7th
season when I was fairly busy and a lot of shows suffered from
that (because you just KNOW all they really want is to have ME
watching the show ). I still watched the finale though.

 

[Mark]

The only show where I considered buying DVDs is SG-1.

 

[Mallus]

The only show where I considered buying DVDs is SG-1.

Not B5??!

Not DS9!??

Not Coupling??!! {okay, so that one doesn't belong in a discussion of SF shows, but if you're never seen it, poke around your PBS stations and see if you get it. It also ran on BBC America...}

 

[Mark]

Some time back I taped a handful of ST shows (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY) with the thought of collecting them all. I found that I did not enjoy them nearly as much as just catching them whenever they happened to air. Perhaps if they reran less it might renew might interest in collecting them. Maybe not.

SG-1, however, I find very fresh and enjoyable and can pop in a few episodes that I've seen and still enjoy them.

B5 never really interested me. I tuned in from time to time over the run of the series and the acting just never seemed to improve. I tried to give it a chance, again and again, but it never grabbed me. As bad as some some ST episodes could be I never got that same feeling from any of the ST series. It's hard to explain. I felt like the actors on B5 were always aware that they were in a show, in a costume, in alien make-up, etc. If they weren't buying it, I couldn't bring myself to emotionally invest in it either. I couldn't lose that aesthetic distance as required by fiction in general and sci-fi even moreso. It may not have been the show, but perhaps just me at the times I happen to watch, but there were a lot of times.

 

[el-remmen]

I have to say that what bothered me about Voyager was the characters - not the premise or even the plots of the episodes I have seen (though some were much better than others and some were absolutely. . ugh - but that is true of all shows (even a brilliant one like Buffy)) - and I never could much accept Seven of Nine (i hated Hugh as well from TNG) - if anything the BORG have been much more over-used than the Romulans

With ENTERPRISE, I like the characters - I like the captain, i love Phlox, and Trip and even the gunnery guy (what's his name again?) and T'Pol (the helmsman is kind of lackluster) -and even wish (as I have said before) that they'd introduce more secondary characters (like TNG had Broccoli and Ro and O'Brian and his wife) - I have just felt the plots are weak and what excited me about the show is not coming to fruition - exploring all the stuff mentioned in the past shows and movies - even if it turns out different that'd be fine (wouldn't be the first time that the record of history and what actually happened differ somewhat). I want more stories involving the Andorians and the Vulcans and the Klingons and all that good stuff - and a god-like being or a society based on some ancient earth culture or something like that.

 

[Mallus]

B5 never really interested me. I tuned in from time to time over the run of the series and the acting just never seemed to improve.

That's very true. B5 was consistent: the bad actors stayed bad... but the good actors stayed good, even as their characters became totally different individuals by the shows end.

Much of the acting made me cringe. However, Londo and G'Kar {Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas, respectively}, deliver two of the finest performances in SF history. At least IMHO.

 

[buzzard]

Why not get really nasty and equate the level of my taste in entertainment with the level of your etiquette? You seem troubled in your life. Have you considered alternatives?

Naah, my etiquette is far worse. Alas, it doesn't bother me though.

However, I'm not the one who gets worked up about people disparaging an unpopular show. I'd reccomend some inwards looks on that troubled life topic.

buzzard

 

[buzzard]

But of the three, you've not watched much of Voyager...

Actually I put up with far more of Voyager in the hopes that it would be good than I was willing to expend on the other dreck. It just didn't manage to climb out of the common pool of slime.

buzzard

 

[Mark]

(I know you are but what am I?)

Actually, it appears that you are getting workes up, and as someone who claims to not even like the show. The lady doth protest too much, methinks... Why not simply back down from your ned to assault fans of Voyager with your cries of "Sucks! Sucks!" and go your merry way. Spend some time on a show you enjoy. You'll find it more worthwhile.

 

[Mark]

That's very true. B5 was consistent: the bad actors stayed bad... but the good actors stayed good, even as their characters became totally different individuals by the shows end.

Much of the acting made me cringe. However, Londo and G'Kar {Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas, respectively}, deliver two of the finest performances in SF history. At least IMHO.

Perhps I can give it another chance, and enjoy the good portions while not allowing the reminader to bother me. I've also heard it would be best to watch straight from the beginning, though. Maybe collecting the series is the only way to ensure I see it in the best light.