More questions regarding Arcane Disciple...

[RigaMortus]

If I understand this correctly, Arcane Disciple allows you to pick a Cleric Domain, and then prepare (assuming you are a Wizard) 1 spell per level, per day. It is also my understanding that the spell you prepare is cast as an arcane spell. So if you took the Healing Domain, you'd cast an arcane version of the Cure spell.

My questions are...

Are the spells you get to prepare (from Arcane Disciple) now considered to be on your class spell list?

Can you create magic scrolls of them?

If so, can you scribe those scrolls into your spell book?

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Liquidsabre]

Are the spells you get to prepare (from Arcane Disciple) now considered to be on your class spell list?

Yes.

Can you create magic scrolls of them?

Yes.

If so, can you scribe those scrolls into your spell book?

Only if Cure spells are on your arcane spell list. If they are not then you cannot cast the spell or scribe it into your spellbook.

It's also interesting to note, with cure spells on your arcane spell list you can now make use of wands and staffs with cure spells. So now the wizard can wield cure wands and a staff of healing for example, lol. Yikes, move over cleric!

 

[RigaMortus]

Only if Cure spells are on your arcane spell list. If they are not then you cannot cast the spell or scribe it into your spellbook.

So are you argeeing that they can be scribed into a Wizard's spellbook? Above you agreed that they were considered to be on the Wizards spell list. Just clarifying

 

[Liquidsabre]

Lol, the cure spells would HAVE to be scribed into your spellbook in order to prepare them. AD adds the spells to your spell list (as in the feat text).

 

[Pax]

Yes, you can scribe them into your spellbook.

However ... no, they are not automatically Arcane spells. Per the feat, they are arcane spells if the spell already appears on yoru spell list; they are divine spells, otherwise.

Which means the Wizard can't take AD, scribe a scroll of cure light wounds, and hand it to a Sorceror or another Wizard to study and learn from. Sorry.

 

[sledged]

no, they are not automatically Arcane spells. Per the feat, they are arcane spells if the spell already appears on yoru spell list; they are divine spells, otherwise.

Unless you're reading the feat from a source different than the Complete Divine, the feat says no such thing. However it does say this:

You can learn to cast the spells associated with that domain as arcane spells.

- Complete Divine, page 79, first paragraph under "Arcane Disciple"
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Which means the Wizard can't take AD, scribe a scroll of cure light wounds...

I don't see why not. There's nothing that says she can't.

and hand it to a Sorceror or another Wizard to study and learn from. Sorry.

This part is true, but could a bard use it since Cure Light Wounds is on the bard's spell list?

 

[RigaMortus]

Lol, the cure spells would HAVE to be scribed into your spellbook in order to prepare them.

Hmmm, I fail to see the humor in my question... I am pretty sure the AD feat never states that you add the spells to your spell book. Where did you get that from? All it says is that you can prepare them. I picture it working like Spell Mastery. You don't need your spellbook to prepare spells taken with spell mastery, and I think the same thing holds true with AD.

AD adds the spells to your spell list (as in the feat text).

Yeah, well there are like 20+ spells on a Wizard's spell list for 1st level. That doesn't mean he can cast them all. Just because a spell is added to your spell list doesn't mean it is added to your spell book.

 

[sledged]

Hmmm, I fail to see the humor in my question... I am pretty sure the AD feat never states that you add the spells to your spell book. Where did you get that from? All it says is that you can prepare them.

Actually, it says that and a good deal more like "Add the chosen domain's spells to your class list of arcane spells" and "You may learn these spells as normal for your class" meaning if you're a wizard you have to scribe them into you spellbook somehow in order to prepare them.

Yeah, well there are like 20+ spells on a Wizard's spell list for 1st level. That doesn't mean he can cast them all. Just because a spell is added to your spell list doesn't mean it is added to your spell book.

Which was exactly his point: It adds the spell to your spell list and nothing more. (Well, a little bit more, but the more is limitations, which is actually less. So your more is more-or-less less.)

 

[RigaMortus]

Ugh, you people are confusing me

I thought what Liquidsabre was saying was, that you HAVE to scribe them in your spell book before you can even prepare them.

What I am stating is, you do not have to scribe them in your spell book to memorize them. You can cast them (1/level/day), just as the Spell Mastery feat allows you to cast spells w/o memorizing them from your spell book.

Add the chosen domain's spells to your class list of arcane spells

All this does is add the Domain spells to your class list, but NOT into your spell book. I think we all agree on this.

You may learn these spells as normal for your class

If this is the exact quote from the feat, then it seems like it would allow you to scribe the spells into your spellbook. And if you can scribe them into your spellbook, why can't you prepare them more than once?

The way I am interpreting it is that you do not actually scribe the spells in your spell book. The feat adds them to your class spell list and allows you to prepare (w/o having to scribe them into your spell book) them, with the restriction of 1/day/level. And that is it.

Now the reason I want to know if you can scribe them in your spell book is, because then you could prepare them more than once. If you can scribe them onto a scroll (and thus cast the spell more than 1/level/day), then it stands to reason you could scribe them into your spell book and prepare them more than 1/level/day.

 

[Liquidsabre]

Hmmm, I fail to see the humor in my question... I am pretty sure the AD feat never states that you add the spells to your spell book. Where did you get that from?

My apologies Rig, I did not mean to laugh, it's only that the answers to your questions tend to be right there in the text. Though I am sorry, you may not have the book on hand. In which case I'd suggest waiting till you get a chance to take a better look at it.

Arcane Disciple: "You may learn these spells as normal for your class..."