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[moritheil]

A fellow player in a campaign I'm in has a char with the ability to make an attack after every teleport. This isn't Sun School; I'm talking about a full attack. She also has the ability to teleport after hitting someone (which I don't claim to understand.) Campaign etiquette prevents me from reading the build, but as I understand it she can keep making attacks and teleporting until either all enemies are dead, or she runs out of pps. All in one round.

Bear in mind that I haven't checked this build, so it could have been misrepresented.

 

[James McMurray]

Where does the FAQ allow that? The answer I quoted would specificallt disallow the tiger from using unarmed attacks because it isn't a creature that is "normally is allowed to make both weapon attacks and natural weapon attacks as part of the same full attack routine."

 

[glass]

The FAQ says no.

So?

A hydra is not a creature that is normally allowed to make both weapon and natural weapon attacks at the same time

Says who? Every creature is allowed to if they have both kinds of weapons, AFAIK.


glass.

 

[James McMurray]

I'm not about to try to argue the veracity of the FAQ with you. I prefer to use it, but you're of course free to ignore it if you want.

 

[kjenks]

Where does the FAQ allow that? The answer I quoted would specificallt disallow the tiger from using unarmed attacks because it isn't a creature that is "normally is allowed to make both weapon attacks and natural weapon attacks as part of the same full attack routine."

Any creature can make an unarmed strike, usually for nonlethal damage. Some (like monks) are better at it than others. Unarmed strike is listed as a simple weapon in the PH.

FAQ
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Can a monk who has natural weapon attacks (such as a
centaur monk) attack unarmed and still use his natural
weapons? For example, let’s say he’s a 4th-level monk. Can
he use a flurry of blows and attack at +5/+5/+0 unarmed
(plus other bonuses) and then at +0/+0 for 2 hooves?

If the creature normally is allowed to make both weapon
attacks and natural weapon attacks as part of the same full
attack routine, the monk can do the same (making unarmed
strikes in place of weapon attacks). Since a centaur can make
two hoof attacks in addition to his longsword attack, a centaur
monk can make two hoof attacks in addition to his unarmed
strike attack (or attacks, depending on his base attack bonus).
The monk can’t use his natural weapon attacks as part of a
flurry of blows, but he can make natural weapon attacks in
addition to his flurry. Such attacks suffer the same –2 penalty
as the monk’s flurry attacks in addition to the normal –5
penalty for secondary natural attacks.

An 4th-level centaur monk has a base attack bonus of +7
(+4 from his 4 monstrous humanoid Hit Dice, and +3 from his
8 monk levels). If he performs a flurry of blows, he makes
three unarmed strikes, at +5/+5/+0. He can add two hoof
attacks at –2/–2 (–5 as secondary weapons, and –2 from the
flurry).
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Think about how it works for an out-of-the-box harpy, BAB +7, Str 10:

Full Attack: Club +7/+2 melee (1d6) and 2 claws +2 melee (1d3)

If the harpy used unarmed strike instead, it would be:

Full Attack: Unarmed strike +7/+2 melee (1d3*) and 2 claws +2 melee (1d3)
* Nonlethal, provokes attacks of opportunity

This is normally not an advantage for the harpy. But consider a really big dragon. It could use unarmed strike, taking advantage of its high BAB and strength, with the disadvantage that it treats all of its natural weapons as secondary (-5 attack and 1/2 Str bonus on damage).

 

[James McMurray]

Where do any of the dragons have natural attacks and weapon attacks in their stat blocks? If they don't have them, how are they creatures that are "normally allowed" to combine them?

 

[kjenks]

Where do any of the dragons have natural attacks and weapon attacks in their stat blocks? If they don't have them, how are they creatures that are "normally allowed" to combine them?

Any creature can make an unarmed strike, usually for nonlethal damage, so any creature with a natural weapon is a creature that is normally allowed to combine unarmed strikes with natural weapons.

 

[Shazman]

Where do any of the dragons have natural attacks and weapon attacks in their stat blocks? If they don't have them, how are they creatures that are "normally allowed" to combine them?

Dragons don't have both attacks, but a half-dragon gets claw and bite attacks from the template. I believe they can combine weapon and bite attacks with the bite at a -5 penalty (-2 with multi-attack).

 

[James McMurray]

Dragons don't have both attacks, but a half-dragon gets claw and bite attacks from the template. I believe they can combine weapon and bite attacks with the bite at a -5 penalty (-2 with multi-attack).

This is specifically allowed by the half-dragon template, and hence definitely qualifies as being able to combine iterative and natural attacks.

Any creature can make an unarmed strike, usually for nonlethal damage, so any creature with a natural weapon is a creature that is normally allowed to combine unarmed strikes with natural weapons.

Do you have a rules reference for being able to combine the two? Typically you make either natural weapon attacks or iterative ones.