And there's also Superman and Muhammed Ali.
Specifically (and perhaps more ridiculously, though I have not read it), it was Superman VS Muhammed Ali...
No offense to the Champ, but what does Supes do after page 2?
And there's also Superman and Muhammed Ali.
Well, that's actually not that ridiculous to me. The Avengers was a "dream team", a gathering of unaffiliated popular heroes. They don't have to compliment each other in any way. Redundancy or outright irrelevancy is okay as long as you have clout.The upcoming Avengers movie got me thinking about this. The original team up that formed the Avengers were:
Ant-Man
Wasp
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
That is a totally ridiculous team up. I mean, look at the scale of power, there.
The Champions actually came about as the formula team nobody wanted. The guy who wrote it just wanted to do a book with Angel and Iceman, but his editor told him to expand it by filling out the tropes ("You call that a team book? Where's your strong guy? Where's your girl?").I always throught that "The Champions" were quite an arbitrary group
Angel;
Black Widow;
Darkstar;
Ghost Rider;
Hercules;
Iceman
and "The Defenders" even more so - with an astonishingly powerful core group:
Doctor Strange,
The Silver Surfer,
The Hulk
Namor
plus a revolving door of others and also-rans!
Well, that's actually not that ridiculous to me. The Avengers was a "dream team", a gathering of unaffiliated popular heroes. They don't have to compliment each other in any way. Redundancy or outright irrelevancy is okay as long as you have clout.
That's in direct contrast to a formula team, which is assembled like a 4e party or a boy band, by filling out various idealized roles (e.g. a strong guy, a smart guy, a stealthy guy, a straight-man, a loudmouth, and so forth). Ant-Man constantly remarked on how outclassed he was (particularly after becoming Giant-Man), and of course the line-up didn't last long anway.