D&D (2024) Motley Fool Prediction: New Dungeons & Dragons Edition Won't Help Hasbro Much

[Hussar]

basically everyone who has been calling 5e evergreen on this forum


they apparently do, or at a minimum expect D&D to follow that lead now


First of all yes, yes, because that would be what evergreen means, and second that also is what the people mean when they use it. Finally, the prediction can come true a lot sooner by WotC releasing 6e in 2032 or somewhere around there...


no, it absolutely does not, that is no more evergreen than 1e was, and more importantly it is not the evergreen that I have encountered in this forum at all. When the term is used, it is meant like Monopoly style evergreen


not sure what fantasy scenario you think I am playing out, I am expecting a 6e and I have not called 5e evergreen. That you apparently have a different idea of what evergreen means from anyone else seems to be more about you

Ok, number one, don't fisk my posts. It was a short post, and chopping it up line by line like this is pointless. If you cannot respond to the point I'm making, don't bother.

Secondly, "everyone"? Naw. It's a tiny group of diehard WotC haters who pedantically rip into WotC for every undotted I or uncrossed t. Deciding that CoC is the baseline for "evergreen" is pedantic wankery. Instead of talking about "everyone" and "they", why don't you stick to speaking for yourself? Plus, the "prediction" is exactly the hypothetical imaginary creation that you've built in order to "prove" that 5e isn't "evergreen". At this point in time, 5e has barely changed over it's run from 2014 to now. The 2024 revisions are barely a change in that you can continue to use virtually all of the material you have used up to this point without any major effort.

Exactly like Call of Cthulhu. Now, if they come out with a major change to the game in the future? Fair enough. THEN we start talking about "evergreen". But, until that point, all you're doing is pointless pedantry and trying to score Internet points.

 

[mamba]

Ok, number one, don't fisk my posts. It was a short post, and chopping it up line by line like this is pointless. If you cannot respond to the point I'm making, don't bother.

Secondly, "everyone"? Naw. It's a tiny group of diehard WotC haters who pedantically rip into WotC for every undotted I or uncrossed t. Deciding that CoC is the baseline for "evergreen" is pedantic wankery. Instead of talking about "everyone" and "they", why don't you stick to speaking for yourself? Plus, the "prediction" is exactly the hypothetical imaginary creation that you've built in order to "prove" that 5e isn't "evergreen". At this point in time, 5e has barely changed over it's run from 2014 to now. The 2024 revisions are barely a change in that you can continue to use virtually all of the material you have used up to this point without any major effort.

Exactly like Call of Cthulhu. Now, if they come out with a major change to the game in the future? Fair enough. THEN we start talking about "evergreen". But, until that point, all you're doing is pointless pedantry and trying to score Internet points.

First of all, I break posts up when there are several points to address, makes it easier to follow imo. Take it or leave it

Second, everyone on this forum talking about evergreen has used it that way, not that there are many people doing so that I am aware of.

Third, these people are not WotC haters, take @Parmandur for example, he has used if often, and he is definitely not a WotC hater.

Fourth, I have never considered 5e an evergreen edition and never used the term for it, so I can hardly speak for myself here when it comes to what is meant by evergreen. If you ask me what I consider evergreen, then 5e would only be evergreen if there never were a 6e.

Finally, comparing the 2024 to the CoC editions is laughable, 2024 changes more from 2014 than CoC changed over its entire lifetime.

There, not 'fisked', not sure that is any better and pretty sure I will not stick to this

 

[Hussar]

There, not 'fisked', not sure that is any better and pretty sure I will not stick to this

Thank you for that. I just have so much difficulty following fisked posts that I almost always misread them.

And, for a term you don't use, don't believe and apparently have no dog in the fight with, it seems a weird hill to die on to keep arguing with people about the definition. But, your apparent reason for disagreeing with the evergreen designation seems to be that at some point in the future, 5e will change into 6e (even if it's not called that). Since it hasn't happened yet, that's my main issue here. 2024 is not a major revision of 2014. It just isn't. Not when I can use 99% of my books with the new books without changing a single thing. There would be, apparently, zero problem with me running Candlekeep Mysteries (to pick a random example) with 2024 characters. So, how is that not evergreen?

Are there some changes? Sure. Most of it is terminology and corner case stuff. Other than that, it's pretty much unchanged. I don't see how that makes 2024 somehow not part of evergreen D&D.

 

[Parmandur]

Yes, I think an evergreen approach to D&D is good for gamers and the hobby writ large, being both pro-consuner and entirely feasible from the business side. As seen with the 40+ history of Call of Cthulua perennially popular game that has been consistently well supported and slowly evolves with an eye towards continued systematic interoperability. And it is still one of the most popular TTRPGs on the market.

 

[mamba]

And, for a term you don't use, don't believe and apparently have no dog in the fight with, it seems a weird hill to die on to keep arguing with people about the definition

I mean, my definition too is that 5e is only evergreen if there never is a 6e, just like it is also used by anyone I encountered on this forum using it - until you came along and wanted to see a 10 year span as being as close to evergreen as can be reasonably expected... the examples I chose (Monopoly and CoC) are ones used on this forum

I never considered 5e evergreen, I expect there to be a 6e.

I also never said that 2024 means that 5e would not be evergreen, that seems to be an interpretation of yours. Maybe that is where your 'only WotC haters use evergreen' comes from...

2024 undoubtedly has more changes compared to 2014 than CoC 1e has to 7e, it still is largely compatible however. I have no problem with calling it a revision of 5e and saying that its existence does not imply that 5e is not evergreen. What to me would make 5e not evergreen is getting a proper 6e that is considerably less compatible with 5e than 2024 is. I am expecting this to happen, and that is why I do not see 5e as evergreen

 

[Zardnaar]

which could also be all the more reason to not rock the boat / keep it evergreen

Short term yes long term idk.

 

[Hussar]

And when that happens, then we can talk about 5e not being "evergreen". But, your expectations aside, it still hasn't happened. I mean, sure, eventually it probably will? I guess? Comparisons to Monopoly, a game that has all of what, a single page of rules, seems a bit weird, but, sure. Being less evergreen than CoC is a thing, I guess? Who cares?

IOW, I'll worry about it when it happens, rather than constantly bang the drum that WotC somehow lied to people when they called the game evergreen, when it still IS evergreen today.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I guess we can say it will be evergreen in the sense things from previous editions are relatively easy to be reused in the last one.

I suspect Hasbro wants to become an administrator or manager of multimedia franchises. It is the number one of licenced toys.

I have read some news from the real life, and I guess now it isn't the best moment to choose the strategy to be followed in the next years without previously knowing what may happen. Even if the company is selling very good products when the economy in the next years was bad, then they should worry more about "saving the furnitures" and hold out until the return of years "of fat cows" ( = prosperity).

Hasbro wants to make money with the videogames, but they are relatively "rookie" in an economic field with lots of rival companies with more experience in the market.

 

[mamba]

IOW, I'll worry about it when it happens, rather than constantly bang the drum that WotC somehow lied to people when they called the game evergreen, when it still IS evergreen today.

I am not worried about it at all, and I am not sure who said WotC lied about it, I certainly did not