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[Remathilis]

evergreen means we are still playing a version of 5e in 50 years that has not seen much more significant changes in the next 40 than it sees with the 2024 books. People always drag out CoC as an example for it being possible…

I doubt that we will still be playing a version of 5e by 2050

I don't think WotC, even at its most cynical, never expected the 2014 books were going to be printed in perpetuity. If D&D has been a modest success or a break even, I still think a new version of the books were coming in 2024. The difference is that modest success PHB might have featured errata and new covers vs an attempt to innovate on things via playtest.

 

[mamba]

I don't think WotC, even at its most cynical, never expected the 2014 books were going to be printed in perpetuity. If D&D has been a modest success or a break even, I still think a new version of the books were coming in 2024. The difference is that modest success PHB might have featured errata and new covers vs an attempt to innovate on things via playtest.

sure, they would not print the 2014 books indefinitely, but neither does CoC, there are slight changes over time. 2024 goes way beyond what CoC does however.

Still, evergreen means no 6e, ever, it will always have to be something largely compatible with what came before it. If it isn’t, what exactly do you mean by evergreen…

 

[Hussar]

Eh, it's bigger than the changes between the various versions of Basic and I'd argue it's bigger in rules terms than the difference between 1e and 2e, although 1e and 2e had some pretty big differences in terms of aesthetic and outlook, the actually rules of core 1e and 2e were pretty similar (at least until you added a stack of 2e splatbooks).

Not even remotely.

The changes between 1e and 2e were MASSIVE. Huge increase in PC power. Monster math being rewritten all over the place. Multiclasses rewritten. Classes changed and removed. Races removed. Initiative system entirely rewritten. Proficiency system added. The list goes on and on. And that's before you start adding the supplements.

 

[Hussar]

evergreen means we are still playing a version of 5e in 50 years that has not seen much more significant changes in the next 40 than it sees with the 2024 books. People always drag out CoC as an example for it being possible…

I doubt that we will still be playing a version of 5e by 2050

Oh FFS.

Number one, who are these "people"? Who cares? Oh, noes, Call of Cthulhu is more evergreen than D&D. Whoopee. So is RIFTS, but, no one seems to think that's a good thing.

Pretending that "evergreen" means, "must be entirely unchanging, carved in stone, and forevermore" is just giant clomping overly pedantic nerd wankery. So, because it might be different forty years from now, a prediction conveniently so far away that it's meaningless, it cannot be considered evergreen?

I try to look at reality and not what might be true. The reality is, we've had 10 years of 2014 D&D. 2024 D&D is a minor revision, far more simply a glow up than anything else, which allows nearly all the previous material to continue to be used. Which, for now at least, satisfies a reasonable definition of evergreen.

Life would be so much better if people stuck to facts and not whatever fantasy scenarios they keep playing out in their heads.

 

[mamba]

Number one, who are these "people"?

basically everyone who has been calling 5e evergreen on this forum

Who cares? Oh, noes, Call of Cthulhu is more evergreen than D&D. Whoopee. So is RIFTS, but, no one seems to think that's a good thing.

they apparently do, or at a minimum expect D&D to follow that lead now

Pretending that "evergreen" means, "must be entirely unchanging, carved in stone, and forevermore" is just giant clomping overly pedantic nerd wankery. So, because it might be different forty years from now, a prediction conveniently so far away that it's meaningless, it cannot be considered evergreen?

First of all yes, yes, because that would be what evergreen means, and second that also is what the people mean when they use it. Finally, the prediction can come true a lot sooner by WotC releasing 6e in 2032 or somewhere around there...

I try to look at reality and not what might be true. The reality is, we've had 10 years of 2014 D&D. 2024 D&D is a minor revision, far more simply a glow up than anything else, which allows nearly all the previous material to continue to be used. Which, for now at least, satisfies a reasonable definition of evergreen.

no, it absolutely does not, that is no more evergreen than 1e was, and more importantly it is not the evergreen that I have encountered in this forum at all. When the term is used, it is meant like Monopoly style evergreen

Life would be so much better if people stuck to facts and not whatever fantasy scenarios they keep playing out in their heads.

not sure what fantasy scenario you think I am playing out, I am expecting a 6e and I have not called 5e evergreen. That you apparently have a different idea of what evergreen means from anyone else seems to be more about you

 

[Zardnaar]

basically everyone who has been calling 5e evergreen on this forum


they apparently do, or at a minimum expect D&D to follow that lead now


First of all yes, yes, because that would be what evergreen means, and second that also is what the people mean when they use it. Finally, the prediction can come true a lot sooner but WotC releasing 6e in 2032 or somewhere around there...


no, it absolutely does not, that is no more evergreen than 1e was, and more importantly it is not the evergreen that I have encountered in this forum at all. When the term is used, it is meant like Monopoly style evergreen


not sure what fantasy scenario you think I am playing out, I am expecting a 6e and I have not called 5e evergreen. That you apparently have a different idea of what evergreen means from anyone else seems to be more ab out you

Wasn't it Mearls talking about evergreen all those years ago?

 

[mamba]

Wasn't it Mearls talking about evergreen all those years ago?

wasn't around then, but according to @Parmandur he was, and very much in the 'there will never be a 6e' way, not in the 'there will not be a 6e for at least 10 years' watered down version

 

[Parmandur]

wasn't around then, but according to @Parmandur he was, and very much in the 'there will never be a 6e' way, not in the 'there will not be a 6e for at least 10 years' watered down version

Yeah, the examples @mearls used over the years, amd well after 5E was a smash hit, were Monopoly and Settlers of Catan.

And I think it is very possible that WotC has already succeeded in making D&D an evergreen system similar to Call of Cthulu or those board game equivalents.

 

[Zardnaar]

wasn't around then, but according to @Parmandur he was, and very much in the 'there will never be a 6e' way, not in the 'there will not be a 6e for at least 10 years' watered down version

Said by people no longer at the company iirc.

Plans also change the context was 5E was the last one. Then it blew up.

 

[mamba]

Plans also change the context was 5E was the last one. Then it blew up.

which could also be all the more reason to not rock the boat / keep it evergreen