My character - ranger or spell-less ranger?

[Nightfall]

CC,

Then he misses out on spells like Chamelon's Skin and Ears of the Wolf. But that's just me. As for a good pr-class, I happen to think Huntsman might be cool myself.

 

[CCamfield]

CC,

Then he misses out on spells like Chamelon's Skin and Ears of the Wolf. But that's just me. As for a good pr-class, I happen to think Huntsman might be cool myself.

Where are any of these to be found? Non-WotC books? If so, I can't use them. And if they're in a campaign setting book, I don't have it.

Thanks for all the responses!

My original plan for the character was to switch over to fighter level after level 3, but it turns out we have a single-classed fighter (4th) and a lizardman fighter (who just got his 1st class level) already.

I guess I'm leaning in favour of going with spells and working out the character's discovery of his (weak) magic potential and need for a "focus" item in play, which I think could be fun. The price of such an item (4k I think?) is pretty low in comparison with a Torc of Animal Speech. (12k gp? ouch!)

I hadn't looked closely at the ranger spells in 3.5, but for when you need extra base movement - the 1st level Longstrider spell does exactly that, 1 hour/level.The spellless ranger seems to give so little that it doesn't feel worth taking.

 

[Nightfall]

Yes well excuse me if I happen to think that you can use a Non-WotC source and not be kicked in the teeth for it.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Yes well excuse me if I happen to think that you can use a Non-WotC source and not be kicked in the teeth for it.

Yes, you should be ashamed of yourself! What were you thinking?

 

[CCamfield]

Yes well excuse me if I happen to think that you can use a Non-WotC source and not be kicked in the teeth for it.

Well, I don't personally have a problem with non-WotC books (most of my d20 collection is Atlas products), but my DM has said he's only allowing stuff from WotC books.

 

[DarkMaster]

The specifics of the character are: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 12, Int 13, Wis 10, Cha 12. Level 4, 22 hp. Mw greatsword, mw chain shirt, mighty composite longbow (+2, it's the only one we've found so far).

Thoughts?

From the stat you have you probably built your character with point build, when I look at your character what strikes me is that he has more intelligence than wisdom. That is fine for a wizard but a bit ackward for a ranger who is supposed to be more like an animal relying on guts feeling and instinct more than pure logic. In the jungle you don't have time to think you must ack quickly or your dead.

That is why I have a hard time with the spell less ranger, not with the concept, Wilderness fighter don't have to have to cast spell. What troubles me is that those who take this concept are usually not role playing but min/maxing.I will not take spell don't need that high wisdom will increase my intelligence to get more skill points or increase my strength to hit harder, etc... giving spell to the ranger forces the player to give his ranger a higher than normal (10-11) wisdom which reflect perfectly the nature of the class.

 

[billd91]

Character concept aside - which I can kind of take either way - how much value do you see in ranger spells? Is it worth getting an item which boosts Wisdom in order to cast them?

My ranger just turned 4th level, and I put his Wisdom up by 1 to a whopping 10. Since he's level 4, I really have to make a final decision on whether I want spells or not. (Sticking with the basic 3.5 ranger, or the alternate ranger in Complete Warrior.)

Don't forget that Wisdom benefits some of a ranger's core skills like Spot, Listen, and Survival. It's good for more than just spells.

 

[CCamfield]

From the stat you have you probably built your character with point build,

Nope, those were rolled. The 10 Wisdom was originally a 9. I initially planned on putting the 9 in Charisma, but - maybe the big mistake? - decided that I wanted to have an actual positive score in the attribute used to relate with animals.

As for Int vs Wisdom, well, yes, I wanted more skill points. Can't have enough skill points.

I see what you're saying about the spell-less ranger; it doesn't give so much by way of abilities because it has fewer attribute requirements, and thus allows higher values to be placed in other attributes.

 

[Darklone]

Hmm. Multiclass to rogue and barbarian?

 

[CCamfield]

Hmm. Multiclass to rogue and barbarian?

Quite possibly. I wonder if Unearthed Arcana stuff will be available to me; not knowing the specifics, the Wilderness Rogue might be perfect for this character.