Mystic Theurge PrC - They've got to be kidding!

[coyote6]

You'd have to be 6th level to qualify (Wiz3/Clr3, for example); at 16th level, as a Wiz3/Clr3/Mystic Theurge10, you'd cast spells as a Wiz13 and Clr13. But you'd have the other class abilities (undead turning, bonus feats, familiar, etc.) of a 3rd level character, and a base attack & hp only slightly better than a wizard (i.e., slightly better than the worst in the game). And you're spellcasting ability would be 3 levels worse than your pure wizard & pure cleric pals.

At 20th level, as a Wiz5/Clr5/MT10, you'd have the spellcasting ability of a Wiz15 & Clr15 -- and be lagging 5 levels behind your pure caster pals. You could also be a Wiz7/Clr3/MT10 (or switch the Wiz & Clr levels), and then be Wiz17 & Clr13 in spellcasting -- which looks like a much smaller loss of power, since you'll still get a 9th level spell or two a day. You trade in 3 feats, 13 levels worth of familiar abilities, one 7th, 2 8th, and 3 9th level spells per day, in return for the spellcasting ability of a 13th level cleric.

My first reaction is that it seems a bit too strong, especially (and mainly) for a non-even split character (the Wiz7/Clr3/MT10 case). However, I'd have to see it in play before I'd say for sure. I definitely like the basic idea -- making a cleric/wizard multiclass a viable combination at higher levels. As a straight cleric/wizard, you end up with 75% of the spellcasting ability, and other class abilities are nearly non-existent.

Maybe if the 3.5e wizard or cleric's special abilities are a little more interesting, it'll be alright -- after all, they'd then be losing more.

OTOH, I didn't have a problem with the Arcane Trickster.

 

[Krug]

Krug, I think what they mean about his spell progression is you have to be a 3rd divine/3rd arcane caster. So at 16th level a single caster has a caster level of 16, this guy has 13th/13th, so has 3 less caster levels than a single class caster(in one class).

I see. I thought they meant uninterrupted while taking this PrC...

And yeah it does look quite overpowered, particularly at high levels.

 

[Umbran]

But he HAS uninterrupted spell advancement!

Not quite. In order to take this class, you do have to multiclass for a while. A clr3/wiz3/Theurge10 is a 16th level character, but casts spells of each type as if he were 13th.

For example, this theurge can cast one 7th level wizard spell, while the striaght wiz16 can cast two 8th level spells. That's not insignificant, given that people gripe about losing even a single level of spellpower.

Also, this theurge will have to try to keep two primary casting stats up to snuff at once. If you are using point buy, that's not an easy task.

 

[Quixon]

I see this thread going thru the roof with posts lol.

Of note in one of those "Third Party D20" books, they have a PrC for Cleric/Wizards. It does the same thing(you get +1 to two spellcasting classes). But they made sure it had disadvantages. Like really, really bad saves (I think you got a +3 for 10 levels to your Good save lol, and Bab was +3 for 10 levels as well).

This seemed a little strong still to me, but now WotC comes along and does same thing but doesn't even bother with the disadvantages.

 

[Nareau]

Man, this is so broken!!! My Ranger/Bard is gonna start kicking some major butt with this PrC!!!

 

[Aloïsius]

Man, this is so broken!!! My Ranger/Bard is gonna start kicking some major butt with this PrC!!!

 

[BigFreekinGoblinoid]

I'll get excited about this PrC when I can cast multiple spells/round.

 

[Oni]

While I've been hoping for something to beef up multi-class casters (sorcerer/wizards in particular which this still doesn't address, though I don't see why you couldn't use it for that too, since there doesn't seem to be anything particularly clerical about it), this is nutty. I'm going to hope this is some horribly misguided April Fools day prank that will haunt DM's for ages to come as munchkin after munchkin approaches them with this "official" class.

 

[Olive]

<a href="http://boards.wizards.com/rpg/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=140;t=000452">This thread</a> on the wizards board has Mark A Jindra (WotC Web Developer) saying that it is not an april fools joke...

 

[Drakron]

... 2 years from now ...

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