MockingBird
Hero
Can someone please explain how Drows being villains could be politically incorrect? It's a fantasy race with no tie to the real world! Who will be offended and why?
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Or just make them violet (or maybe blue like the Antifairies from Fairly Oddparents)
Possibly, or Vecna would just expand his reach into Faerun, other Gods, admittedly demihuman and monster deities have already been ported from Greyhawk into Faerun. Much of the tradition Elven, Dwarven, Halfling, Draconic, Gnomish, Orc, Hobgoblin, Giant and assorted monster deities actually started in Greyhawk, although 5e appears to have united the these none human Pantheons in MTOFs, which honestly made sense, having a Greyhawk Seldarine with different membership then the FR Selderine was confusing for some, and the Sundering makes that easy to explain why and how the new deities came to FR (which would include Vecna).
Black skin. I think it's silly too, but this is the world we live in. I hope they ignore those voices, and just do Drow that look like Drow.
Urriak Uruk
Gaming is fun, and fun is for everyone
A much more blue hue, added with an aristocratic noble accent, would do a lot to carve a path to keep drow villainous without running afoul of modern sensibilities.
So than Anti-Cosmo exactly
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Eh, it’s only a lot if they actually try to explain it all.
Nothing wrong with mentioning and touching on elements of a world and leaving them at that.
Leave people googling, as long as they don’t have to google to understand the actual plot.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
The last thing I was is a movie that cares about mimicking a dnd campaign.
It shouldn’t worry about that, any more than a good comic book movie tries to look like a comic book.
Just tell a story in a dnd world.
For noobs, all they need to know for the sake of the movie is that Tyr is God of Justice, Torm is God of Duty, and Ilmater is God of Mercy and suffering, and that they dwell in the Plane of Mount Celestia.
That Vecna is an evil lich who became a God on another world and whose eye is a powerful evil magic item that replaces the users eye.
What a Dragonborn is. Don't dumb down to the point where you change the concept.
What the leader of the order of knights is, a shape shifting good dragon.
And who and what the characters are. That should be too hard to weave that in the plot.
The magic flaming sword is pretty self explanatory.
Anyways does anyone else think the mask warrior knight Lady might be a Scourge Aasimar?
I mean she is either horribly scarred, which I doubt is the case, or an outlaw which does not fit with a knight order like this, or what fits an order like this like a glove, a Scourge Aasimar many of whom like to wear masks.
I think they just ought to drop the mildly trademark infringing dragonborn altogether
Dragonborn isn't trade mark infringing at all, and Dragonborn is an FR canon term.
the Jester
Legend
If by "lore" you mean "beholders are smarter than a dog", I have complained about it since the day that first movie dropped.
the Jester
Legend
Many would say that it's problematic to say, "All the dark skinned elves are eeevil! Only the light-skinned ones are good."
There's an element of perceived racism there- it's similar to how Lovecraft always described dark-skinned/swarthy people as basically subhuman savages. Now, sure, there are in-universe reasons for the Drow being how they are, but "the evil guys all turned black" isn't much better than "all the blacks are evil".
It really is a thing worth thinking about. It could definitely be argued that, whether or not it's racist in intent, it's racist in effect, and iI can see how it might be profoundly disturbing to real world dark skinned people to find the black race in D&D is inherently evil, sneaky, dishonorable, etc. That said, in 1e, dwarves were much darker skinned in their MM description than they were portrayed in most of the art and in most peoples' heads. Had they been drawn as they were described, it would have offered a counterpoint- "these dark-skinned guys are Lawful Good"- to the "dark skin = bad" thing that Drow imply.
1e Monster Manual said:
Mountain dwarves were described as "typically lighter with brown hair". But the standard dwarf pc was a hill dwarf.
the Jester
Legend
Uh, what? What trademark are they mildly infringing upon here?
the Jester
Legend
Why on earth is any of that relevant or necessary?
Is there really any need to bring another world into it? I don't think so. I mean, I really hate how FR steals all the things from other settings, but in a movie, none of that matters. Just like you can't point at a back issue of Captain America and expect it to hold any water in the Marvel cinematic universe, I don't think it's fair to expect slavish devotion to the in-game canon in a D&D movie.
...yet another fantasy race? What's to dumb down?
I guess I just don't see the point in the above- it's fine to handwave it, I think. Keep it simple for the uninitiated. Make clear that this is a fantasy world with lots of races, and boom, you're pretty much good.
Just don't treat beholders like guard dogs that are exceptionally stupid again, and you're already beating the first D&D movie by a mile.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I’d probably not even bother explaining Mount Celestia, honestly. Why bother?
To explain part of the connection between them. Plus it's interesting.
The Forgotten Realms isn't Marvel.
And at least who Tyr, Torm, and Ilmater at least on a basic are matters to who the Knight are. Why put something in a setting and just completely ignore the basic details that are connect to your plotline?
The Forgotten Realms has even less of an established canon than Marvel, as much as it pains me to admit it.
That's the point, I believe.
It's not fine to just hand wave basic setting stuff, if they do that it will end up the most generic, soulless, D&D movie yet, Settings matter, just because someone is uninitiated doesn't mean they are too stupid to understand basic concepts like God of Duty, God of Justice, and God of Mercy, or what a Dragonborn is (a Dragon like humaniod). This movie isn't being marketed to 3 year olds.
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