D&D Movie/TV New D&D movie details? Vecna?!

[Son of the Serpent]

This is the book for you:

Ah. I love voltaire. Also im not an optimist. You deduce correctly the percentage of my meaning which is written in black ink and green ink.

Do you realize that most people don't know anything about "dark elf' types or norse, germanic, and western mythology? I think you have your blinders on a bit.

BLASPHEMER

Yeah. That was actually the point. Im a cheeky bastard. People are dumb. My point is that their distress is equally dumb. If we ALWAYS limit ourselves by catering to them then society will get dumber and we will have a share of the blame. Some times it makes sense to restrain oneself. This is not one of those times.

Drow are drow. Black people are black people. Two seperate groups. Unrelated to eachother.

 

[dave2008]

People are dumb. .

People are not dumb, they are uneducated. There is a big difference. Not knowing something doesn't make you dumb and I find it disturbing that you keep jumping to that conclusion.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

It has little to do with intelligence and more to do with ignorance. Western mythology is barely taught (if at all) in most of the world. Even in western countries there are hundreds of millions of people who are ignorant of the mythology. Heck, in the USA mythology is not a required class and I would bet 2/3 or more of the population would have no idea what your talking about. Your lucky if they know the greek gods. You can't expect someone to know what your talking about if they never been taught.

Mmmmm. I think this issue has to do with both levels of intelligence and ignorance. 100% certain of it.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

People are not dumb, they are uneducated. There is a big difference. Not knowing something doesn't make you dumb and I find it disturbing that you keep jumping to that conclusion.

I wouldnt jump there for just any reason.

I would in this scenario though.

They are elves. ELVES. Not even human.

 

[dave2008]

Mmmmm. I think this issue has to do with both levels of intelligence and ignorance. 100% certain of it.

I will stop this conversation now as it is beginning to affect my perception of you and i would prefer to keep an open mind as I don't really know you.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I will stop this conversation now as it is beginning to affect my perception of you and i would prefer to keep an open mind as I don't really know you.

Fair.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Yes, originating on Oerth, with Vecna.

It's just irksome to see the World of Greyhawk being continuously strip-mined for all its cool toys, while the rest of it is left to rot in abandonment.

Yes. They take from greyhawk and place it in the realms. It’s not like the realms does not have enough lore as it is. And good lore too.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Azure Bonds would make a good movie

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Yes. They take from greyhawk and place it in the realms. It’s not like the realms does not have enough lore as it is. And good lore too.

You do realise there will be very little actual FR in the movie? It will be GenericFantasyland with a couple of familiar names? There is neither the time nor the space in a movie for any significant worldbuilding.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I wouldnt jump there for just any reason.

I would in this scenario though.

They are elves. ELVES. Not even human.

How most of the world thinks of elves:

 

[Son of the Serpent]

How most of the world thinks of elves:

The size of the doll precludes anyone thinking they are human.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

How most of the world thinks of elves:

Basically yes though.

 

[Twiggly the Gnome]

???????
Are you saying that humans cant tell the difference betwixt real racial mockery and something that has nothing to do with racism and that not all human's distress about percieved racism is equally justified?

A few years back, DC Comics did a cross over event called Flashpoint that altered the history of the DCU. One of these changes had the villain Grodd ruling over an entire continent. A house ad for the event had a world map that included the label "Gorilla controlled Africa".

I knew the context, so thought nothing of it, but it sent a certain segment of the readership into full bore problematic panic. This is the world we live in.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

A few years back, DC Comics did a cross over event called Flashpoint that altered the history of the DCU. One of these changes had the villain Grodd ruling over an entire continent. A house ad for the event had a world map that included the label "Gorilla controlled Africa".

I knew the context, so thought nothing of it, but it sent a certain segment of the readership into full bore problematic panic. This is the world we live in.

Thats a world that needs fixing.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Thats a world that needs fixing.

If you really think a D&D movie is the first step of "fixing the world," I got some bad news for you...

Just curious, I get that Drow are supposed to be based on Norse mythology... but has anyone done analysis on why medieval Norse associated dark-skinned elves with evil?

 

[Arnwolf666]

If you really think a D&D movie is the first step of "fixing the world," I got some bad news for you...

Just curious, I get that Drow are supposed to be based on Norse mythology... but has anyone done analysis on why medieval Norse associated dark-skinned elves with evil?

I think they are remnants of the unseelie court. And the association of the word dark in mythologies as being evil.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

It has little to do with intelligence and more to do with ignorance. Western mythology is barely taught (if at all) in most of the world. Even in western countries there are hundreds of millions of people who are ignorant of the mythology. Heck, in the USA mythology is not a required class and I would bet 2/3 or more of the population would have no idea what your talking about. Your lucky if they know the greek gods. You can't expect someone to know what your talking about if they never been taught.

Also the drow are not recognizably the “dark elf” of European myth.

Origins only matter if the new thing is recognizable as the old thing.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Also the drow are not recognizably the “dark elf” of European myth.

Origins only matter if the new thing is recognizable as the old thing.

Do they have to be? They are based on them and influenced by them. I don’t see why Gygax (or whoever created them in d&d) had to create a complete replica of them. After all most mythologies are very conflicting from one place to another. I like the way they were originally represented. And that is being legendary. Not commonly known to exist. Very evil and resistant magic with cool innate abilities and badass chain mail and weapons.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Do they have to be? They are based on them and influenced by them. I don’t see why Gygax (or whoever created them in d&d) had to create a complete replica of them. After all most mythologies are very conflicting from one place to another. I like the way they were originally represented. And that is being legendary. Not commonly known to exist. Very evil and resistant magic with cool innate abilities and badass chain mail and weapons.

I don’t care, honestly. I don’t care about tradition, or dnd races being faithful to their origins, or anything like any of that.

I am pointing out that drow have very little to do with mythological dark elves, and vanishingly few people are going to say “oh, these black face caricatures of evil matriarchy are just the svart alfar! No big deal!”

That won’t happen, is all I’m saying. The connection, even for most people who realize it exists, won’t matter.

 

[Arnwolf666]

I don’t care, honestly. I don’t care about tradition, or dnd races being faithful to their origins, or anything like any of that.

I am pointing out that drow have very little to do with mythological dark elves, and vanishingly few people are going to say “oh, these black face caricatures of evil matriarchy are just the svart alfar! No big deal!”

That won’t happen, is all I’m saying. The connection, even for most people who realize it exists, won’t matter.

I never really assumed they were anything more than just evil elves. Yeah a slight connection to the unseelie court or another mythology here and there. But they did a really good job of striking fear before they made it a class that every Tom, Dick, and Harry played.