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mxyzplk said:
Although that's true, if WotC is going t play dirty pool, there's many more things they can do to stomp it out.

Freelancer contracts. Put in a noncompete. "Want to publish anything for 4e through us? You can't have done anything OGL recently or after." Force other companies to do the same via the GSL - "If you want to keep publishing for 4e, make your contributors sign this."

Come on man, you're a lawyer, you know how it works. As the industry player in a near-monopoly position, WotC can certainly stomp out open gaming as well as if it were revocable; make it the purview of hobbyists and crazed libertarians only.

I'm a lawyer and I know how it works too. A non-compete is unlikely to be effective for these kinds of purposes. The reason is that many non-competes are unenforceable. There's a general public policy against restricting a worker's ability to use his or her skills in the market. While the specifics of the rule will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, noncompetes have to pass tests on their reasonableness before a court will enforce them.

For example, using the jurisdiction with which I am most familiar, in Colorado, noncompetes are presumptively void unless they fall into one of four limited categories. Those categories are:

(a) Any contract for the purchase and sale of a business or the assets of a business;

(b) Any contract for the protection of trade secrets;

(c) Any contractual provision providing for recovery of the expense of educating and training an employee who has served an employer for a period of less than two years;

(d) Executive and management personnel and officers and employees who constitute professional staff to executive and management personnel.

None of these would apply to a freelancer working on 4e. A, C, and D are clearly inapplicable, as WotC will not be selling their business to the freelancer, nor providing training to the freelancer. Generally, executive and management personnel are folks within the corporation, not independent contractors.

As for the protection of trade secrets section, WotC would first have to show that the material a freelancer was provided with constituted a trade secret. Since the 4e SRD is going to refer to specific passages of the 4e PHB, DMG, and MM to define terms (rather than post the relevant rules in one place), they're going to have a hard time showing that anything is secret. Once they publish the rules for public consumption, it loses trade secret protection.

In addition, even assuming that a noncompete was held to be valid under the laws of the jurisdiction, generally, it still must be reasonably limited in time and geographic scope. There is an excellent argument that imposing a noncompete on a freelance writer for any significant period of time is categorically unreasonable. Unlike a typical employee, who enters into an employment contract with the expectation of retaining employment, a freelancer's reasonable expectation is to complete a project and start looking for new work. I would argue that a noncompete of longer than a month is objectively unreasonable under those circumstances.

Open Gaming is here to stay. And we have yet to see any actual evidence that WotC is declaring war on all Open Gaming. We have seen statements from Scott and Linnae that indicate that a publisher will have to chose between supporting 4e and 3.xe, but I'm not prepared to accept that the GSL will impose a choice between 4e and the OGL. Until we have the terms of the license in front of us, it is too early to make any kind of educated statement regarding its effects.

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I just read the entire thread.

I seriously feel like this thread could use some more kittens in cups. So, here ya go.

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Dragonblade said:
But some of my point still stands. For example, when you can point to a fan site not associated with Green Ronin that republishes ALL the mechanics from True20, or M&M, including power points and hero points (which are NOT open), then I will admit those systems are truly open.

First of all, you're conflating accessibility with openness. Second of all, here. The "True SRD", not affiliated with Green Ronin. It's open. Get over it.

Oops. Mxyzplk beat me to it, and with a more comprehensive post, too. Ce la vie. ;)
 

never mind...I guess this -wasn't- worth recalling...shoulda' just gone to bed earlier last night... ;)
 
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Nellisir said:
First of all, you're conflating accessibility with openness. Second of all, here. The "True SRD", not affiliated with Green Ronin. It's open. Get over it.

Oops. Mxyzplk beat me to it, and with a more comprehensive post, too. Ce la vie. ;)

But you get a hug for it anyway! ;)
 

Nellisir said:
I don't want to start any new rumors, and I don't know nuthin' about non-compete clauses, but didn't someone at Paizo that used to freelance at WotC get a letter from them indicating they wouldn't be using him anymore? For reasons that might relate to this thread/paranoia? (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you after all!)

Completely unrelated. Someone will post that thread. I'm too lazy to look it up ATM. Search in the publisher's forum for that.
 

Nellisir said:
I don't want to start any new rumors, and I don't know nuthin' about non-compete clauses, but didn't someone at Paizo that used to freelance at WotC get a letter from them indicating they wouldn't be using him anymore? For reasons that might relate to this thread/paranoia? (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you after all!)

Nick Logue I think, but he posted after that saying "but that's not got anything to do with me doing the Paizo work."
 

Nellisir said:
I don't want to start any new rumors, and I don't know nuthin' about non-compete clauses, but didn't someone at Paizo that used to freelance at WotC get a letter from them indicating they wouldn't be using him anymore? For reasons that might relate to this thread/paranoia? (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you after all!)

N. Logue was told that WotC could not use him until the GSL was settled.

That is all.
 

mxyzplk said:
Turn over all the decisionmakers, get bought out by a larger company - and you can't guarantee that trust.

As I've seen Mourn mention a couple of times previously, Hasbro purchased WoTC in Sept 99, 3E was released in 2000, so Hasbro knew all about the OGL before release and signed off on it.
 

And I am baffled, BAFFLED by the sheer number of people in this thread complaining about the license who have absolutely ZERO freelance, or publishing credits to their name.

Baffled.
 

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