New review critical of DUNE: PART TWO based on the depiction of Chani

IMNSHO, not really applicable to this thread.

Although the title would lead you to believe the linked article is a review of Dune 2, it isn't. It's just a typical nerd rage blog post of "this thing that bugs me". It doesn't critique Dune 2 as a movie. It just talks about one extremely specific difference between the book and the movie, while also spending lots of time waxing about general things the author doesn’t approve of. More importantly, it discusses Tolkien (and Jackson, etc) directly. The article actually names more Tolkien characters than it does characters in Dune 2.

For Soloist's Supposition to be followed, it must have a corollary that the OP never mentions Tolkien (or related movies/media) in the thread. You can't derail a discussion that was never on the tracks.
Hmmm...interesting. Could you provide some quotations that substantiate this Deset? I thought I wrote a critique that said the film fails because of the incipient (and wrong) idea that Villeneuve ran with before scripting the second part and then I supporting that assertion with his reduction of Herbert's depiction of sexuality to something much more juvenile.
 

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I would have loved to have experienced the ending like you. I have seen the film a couple times and I am open to an argument that would substantiate your claim. My understanding of how Villeneuve depicted Chani is based on the close-ups that depict betrayal after Atreides proposes to the Emperor to marry his daughter. At that point, not before, she leaves the gathering and leaves. The film ends with a close-up of her face. It is hard to see Chani as the vehicle revealing Atreides as a political anti-messiah when it is overwhelmed with Villeneuve's depiction of romantic pique.
I see it as her last hope that Paul would backtrack from his path being crushed. I'll watch the movie again this weekend what that in mind.

We will see how her story pans out in the next film.
 

I'm going to reserve judgement until the next film. I do recall elements of Chani being upset about the situation, but it was minor and she comes around tot he reasoning of the arrangement as many folks point out. We dont know how much of a bigger deal Dennis is making of this situation, or if he is preparing a major break from the story as written. It didnt bother me in this case, but could in the future.

Not sure I understand?

I think that the first movie, which other people think was not exciting enough, was actually amazing in terms of sound design and cinematography. I loved that world, and all the world building. It felt so immersive and real. The first movie really enveloped you.

The second movie was more spectacle, which didn't immerse to the same extent.
I felt a lot more out of the second film from the ambiance that eclipsed the first film for me. Though, yes, Dune is not Star Wars, or even Star Trek in it's experience.

Interesting enough, a lot of folks were disappointed in Shogun 2024, becasue it didnt lead up to an action packed warscape at the end. I, for one, enjoy a break from the blockbuster break neck pace action experience that we are getting.
 

Interesting enough, a lot of folks were disappointed in Shogun 2024, becasue it didnt lead up to an action packed warscape at the end. I, for one, enjoy a break from the blockbuster break neck pace action experience that we are getting.

Really?

OMG. Shogun 2024... that ending? That crushed it so hard. Yabushige and Lord Toranaga talking .... I could watch that over and over and over again, and it has more action than any summer blockbuster.
 

Really?

OMG. Shogun 2024... that ending? That crushed it so hard. Yabushige and Lord Toranaga talking .... I could watch that over and over and over again, and it has more action than any summer blockbuster.
My guess is the action, which is fantastic, is far and few between the high context exposition and the ending is not a decisively definitive result with lots of explosions. 🤷‍♂️
 

While Dune: Part Two is undeniably a technical marvel, its narrative choices represent a significant departure from the philosophical and political depth of Herbert's novel. By simplifying complex relationships and political dynamics, Villeneuve has created a film that, despite its visual grandeur, fails to capture the full richness of its source material. This adaptation serves as a cautionary tale about the challenges of translating nuanced literary works to the screen and the importance of preserving the core themes and character complexities that make such works enduring classics. Villeneuve did not have to do this if he had not fallen victim to his one bad idea. Many of his additions to Dune: Part Two in fact enhanced the cinematic depiction of Herbert’s story. For example, his addition of different Fremen denominations, likened to the Northern and Southern Fremen, added a greater realism to the challenges Atreides met when uniting the Arrakeen peoples. There is so much of the film that works and works well.
On that note, I think the big lesson is that to do justice to the richness of the source material, Dune needs to be more than a movie(s). There needs to be time to world build, to execute visualization and atmosphere, and give due diligence to the political exposition. For example, I was more disappointed in the almost disappearance of Baron Haroken and the presentation of the Emperor then the kerfuffle about Chani.
 

I see it as her last hope that Paul would backtrack from his path being crushed. I'll watch the movie again this weekend what that in mind.

We will see how her story pans out in the next film.
I'd love to be convinced otherwise as, for the reasons I expressed in the article, I thought Dune (2021) was great and I was very much looking forward to Part Two, and I think Villeneuve demonstrates mastery of filmmaking in so many areas.
 

I'd love to be convinced otherwise as, for the reasons I expressed in the article, I thought Dune (2021) was great and I was very much looking forward to Part Two, and I think Villeneuve demonstrates mastery of filmmaking in so many areas.
Considering Villeneuve's mature body of work, I don't expect a young teen Disney treatment. I expect he will accentuate the polarization between Paul and Chani as vehicles for opposed ideologies, dictatorship vs self-determination to solve problems.
 



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