New Star Trek trailer online

[Rykion]

Ah, but he was considered to be already onboard Enterprise during Season 1, because in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan he remembered Khan and SS Botany Bay, which first appeared in S1 episode, "The Space Seed."

While you can argue that he may have learned of it in the ship's log later, but the terrified look on his face in the movie suggested he had been there when Khan and his supermen hijacked the ship.

Khan also remembered Chekov. So Chekov pretty much had to be an Enterprise crew member during "The Space Seed."

 

[TwinBahamut]

Macross fan, eh?

Actually, I have never seen a full Macross series. I was referencing Gundam and Full Metal Panic, actually.

Sorry that came out harsher than I meant. I do like a lot of anime, but its important to remember that just about anything can happen in anime. I don't think something happening in anime is necessarily a good precedent for a live action movie.

I was more talking about audience expectations than creative precedent for the creation of something, actually. At the same time, I don't really agree with you here. I don't believe there is a real difference in how people process stories depending on whether it is live-action or anime, so I don't see how there would be a difference between the two mediums in whether suspension of disbelief is challenged by something or not.

In other words, I don't go into a movie expecting live-action to be any more realistic than anime. Well, I do if it is trying to portray itself as realistic and/or historically accurate, but I would hold an anime trying to be realistic to the same standard.

 

[Mouseferatu]

I don't believe there is a real difference in how people process stories depending on whether it is live-action or anime, so I don't see how there would be a difference between the two mediums in whether suspension of disbelief is challenged by something or not.

There may not be a different for you, but you'd be the only person I've heard say that. I know that for me, and for everyone I know who watches anime, there are huge differences of expectation and of suspension of disbelief. I can think of lots of things that I'll accept in an anime that I will not accept in a live-action show (or certain American animated series, for that matter).

 

[Rykion]

I was more talking about audience expectations than creative precedent for the creation of something, actually. At the same time, I don't really agree with you here. I don't believe there is a real difference in how people process stories depending on whether it is live-action or anime, so I don't see how there would be a difference between the two mediums in whether suspension of disbelief is challenged by something or not.

I think for the vast majority of people there is a major difference to what they accept in cartoons, even anime, compared to live-action. I think some of the popularity of anime in the US is actually based on the bizarre storylines/names/conventions to be found in the shows. Most of these would not translate well to a live-action movie.

It is also important to remember that a lot of anime is created with pre-teen to early teenage boys as a target audience. That is why lead characters tend to be people unbelievably young to be purposefully put in situations they are in. The amount of blood and sexual situations tend to make Americans classify anime programs for audiences older than the actual Japanese target audience.

 

[TwinBahamut]

There may not be a different for you, but you'd be the only person I've heard say that. I know that for me, and for everyone I know who watches anime, there are huge differences of expectation and of suspension of disbelief. I can think of lots of things that I'll accept in an anime that I will not accept in a live-action show (or certain American animated series, for that matter).

You really weaken your point with that last sentence. There are things you will accept in Japanese animation but not American animation? Doesn't that just mean that what you accept is based on how it is presented, rather than the actual medium?

I think for the vast majority of people there is a major difference to what they accept in cartoons, even anime, compared to live-action. I think some of the popularity of anime in the US is actually based on the bizarre storylines/names/conventions to be found in the shows. Most of these would not translate well to a live-action movie.

I will just disagree with you and Mouseferatu in this regard. Most of the truly suspension-of-disbelief-challenging things I can ever recalling in anime have equivalents elsewhere, and often there are aspects of Hollywood live-action film that are far stranger that what you see in anime. If nothing else, I will cite the existence of musicals (especially Bollywood musicals) and superhero crossovers.

It is also important to remember that a lot of anime is created with pre-teen to early teenage boys as a target audience. That is why lead characters tend to be people unbelievably young to be purposefully put in situations they are in. The amount of blood and sexual situations tend to make Americans classify anime programs for audiences older than the actual Japanese target audience.

I am well aware of this already, and I have no idea how it relates to the "suspension of disbelief" question.

 

[Mouseferatu]

You really weaken your point with that last sentence. There are things you will accept in Japanese animation but not American animation? Doesn't that just mean that what you accept is based on how it is presented, rather than the actual medium?

Not at all. Some of it is presentation, some of it is medium.

There are things I will accept in certain types of movies, but not others. There are things I will accept in certain types of animation, but not others. But there are things that I will accept in animation that I will not accept in live-action.

It doesn't "weaken my point" because this isn't a debate. You say that the medium makes no difference to you in terms of SoD. That's not up for debate; it's fact. Similarly, I'm saying that for me, it makes a huge difference. That's also fact. For me, and for most people I know, medium makes a huge difference.

The only potential "debate" is whether either is true for all people, and I'd say that this conversation alone proves that it obviously and patently isn't.

 

[DonTadow]

Concerning the ages of the characters affecting plausibility of taking command...

After watching several anime series in which 20-year old civilians, teenage girls, or civilian teenage pop-idols (this is the only one I couldn't understand) take command of sci-fi battleships, they could practically cast Kirk at any age and I could accept him as captain without flinching. For this movie, it sounds like they might be going the Bright Noah route...

Different genres have different rules, I don't expect spoof antics in a dramatic historic movie no more than i expect anime antics in a live action sci-fi film. A curious point is why does any series need rebooting? Isn't this akin to saying that every few decades classicial books should be rewritten for the modern audience and if so, at what point is the series not the essense of the original writer. It seems to be a wildly accepted thing now to do.

 

[Vigilance]

Ive been a fan of trek since the 70's, watching the original trek, which was shown on Saturday mornings in my town right after the cartoons. It was the first show I was ever actually a fan of.

And I gotta say, returning to TOS is *awesome*. This might be the best idea they could have had, and Abrams really nailed a lot of that old trek feel for me in the trailer.

 

[Pbartender]

Isn't this akin to saying that every few decades classicial books should be rewritten for the modern audience...

You need to read more books. It happens all the time.

It has to happen, because as a generality the cultural background of the audience at large changes over time. Eventually, you end up with an audience that largely isn't interested in the story as written, and couldn't understand the subtext of the story even if they were interested. You have to rewrite the story into a context, setting and style that your new audience can understand.

 

[RangerWickett]

Also, books don't have to worry about the special effects looking outdated, or the acting being cheesy. Moby Dick has crystal clear HD in my mind, and the characters deliver their lines however the hell I want them to.

This is why (says the writer) books stand superior to all other forms of storytelling media.