New Star Trek trailer online

[TwinBahamut]

It doesn't "weaken my point" because this isn't a debate.

You turned this into a "debate" the moment you claimed that my perspective was the unusual one using your anecdotal evidence, framing this into a conversation in which you claim my perspective is unique and yours is the default. In other words, you are trying to say my claim is not widely true, and that your perspective is. Don't start a debate and then try to say that "it is not a debate" in order to avoid a rebuttal.

You say that the medium makes no difference to you in terms of SoD. That's not up for debate; it's fact. Similarly, I'm saying that for me, it makes a huge difference. That's also fact. For me, and for most people I know, medium makes a huge difference.

Well, I would not go so far to say that either of our claims are fact... Just because we think something is true about ourselves and claim it to be true does not necessarily mean that it is true...

The only potential "debate" is whether either is true for all people, and I'd say that this conversation alone proves that it obviously and patently isn't.

This doesn't make any sense. As I said above, there is plenty of room for debate about whose perspective is more true for the greater number of people. For something like this, trying to make broad generalizations about everyone is indeed absurd, but it is not the only form of discussion.

Still, I suppose that unless you actually want to talk about what specific things you think only work in animation or only work in live-action, rather than make broad assertions that they exist, I don't think that this conversation really has anywhere to go. It is off topic anyway.

 

[TwinBahamut]

Different genres have different rules, I don't expect spoof antics in a dramatic historic movie no more than i expect anime antics in a live action sci-fi film.

Anime is not a genre...

Besides, if Shakespeare can get away with off-color jokes and bawdy slapstick comedy in the middle of historical tragedies like Macbeth, Hamlet, or some of his Henry the (insert number) plays, then I don't quite think you can easily make hard rules like that.

A curious point is why does any series need rebooting? Isn't this akin to saying that every few decades classicial books should be rewritten for the modern audience and if so, at what point is the series not the essense of the original writer. It seems to be a wildly accepted thing now to do.

This has been happening forever. Le Morte d'Arthur was hardly the first King Arthur story, and it was certainly not the last. Chaucer's A Knight's tale steals its plot and characters from a contemporary work. Shakespeare was something like the third guy to make the story of Romeo and Juliet. Don't even get me started on how the ancient Greeks weren't even interested in anything they hadn't heard a hundred times. Just because something is the "original version" or part of the "original continuity" doesn't mean it is any good. Just because something is a remake or a shamelessly stolen plot doesn't mean that it is bad.

 

[WhatGravitas]

You need to read more books. It happens all the time.

Especially if you go to the theatre occasionally. They always re-interpret the original material.

Cheers, LT.

 

[Vigilance]

Thus I hate time travel. All but one of the new generation of star trek shows had time travel in their series finale. Two movies had to deal with time travel and this is a third. Its so overused. That's why i wished they would just stay in a time period and weave a story within there. I just can't believe with all the great star trek novels out there we're back to time travel.

You can like it or hate it, but time travel was a very integral part of the original series: Naked Time, Tomorrow is Yesterday, City on the Edge of Forever, A Piece of the Action, Patterns of Force, Bread and Circuses, Assignment: Earth, Spectre of the Gun, All Our Yesterdays either involve literal time travel or contact with cultures/events so similar to Earth's past it's the same thing (Piece of the Action, Patterns of Force, Bread and Circuses, Spectre of the Gun).

Even if you remove the four that aren't literally time travel that's five episodes.

Compare this to Romulans (two episodes), Klingons (five episodes), Harry Mudd (two episodes), I think you'll see that time travel was a huge part of trek from the beginning.

I bet if you look at the number of times other things recur (the Borg, Q, and so forth) you will see this trend continues, that time travel is one of the core elements of trek throughout its history.

It might not be to everyone's taste, but it's hard to argue that the movies should ignore something the TV show featured heavily.

 

[Mark]

Khan also remembered Chekov.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. Winner.

 

[Pbartender]

You can like it or hate it, but time travel was a very integral part of the original series: Naked Time, Tomorrow is Yesterday, City on the Edge of Forever, A Piece of the Action, Patterns of Force, Bread and Circuses, Assignment: Earth, Spectre of the Gun, All Our Yesterdays either involve literal time travel or contact with cultures/events so similar to Earth's past it's the same thing (Piece of the Action, Patterns of Force, Bread and Circuses, Spectre of the Gun).

Even if you remove the four that aren't literally time travel that's five episodes.

Compare this to Romulans (two episodes), Klingons (five episodes), Harry Mudd (two episodes), I think you'll see that time travel was a huge part of trek from the beginning.

I bet if you look at the number of times other things recur (the Borg, Q, and so forth) you will see this trend continues, that time travel is one of the core elements of trek throughout its history.

It might not be to everyone's taste, but it's hard to argue that the movies should ignore something the TV show featured heavily.

FYI: A list of time travel episodes.

Altrnate timelines and parallel univarses are slightly less popular, but just as iconic to the Star Trek Universe.

 

[TwinBahamut]

Time travel goes hand in hand with FTL travel, so I suppose that it is not totally unreasonable, but that is a lot of time travel episodes... Wow...

I suppose any complaints I may have had about them featuring time travel in the movie just went out the window. I guess I may as well just hope that they do it well.

 

[Ranger REG]

Khan also remembered Chekov. So Chekov pretty much had to be an Enterprise crew member during "The Space Seed."

Yes, but he wasn't part of the bridge crew, AFAIC.

Though you could argue that he was a third-watch bridge crew, not there when the Captain is not on the bridge. After all, Kirk has to sleep sometimes.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

After all, Kirk has to sleep sometimes.

I'm not sure thats what Kirk is doing (or should that be who he is doing)

 

[Ranger REG]

Ive been a fan of trek since the 70's, watching the original trek, which was shown on Saturday mornings in my town right after the cartoons. It was the first show I was ever actually a fan of.

And I gotta say, returning to TOS is *awesome*. This might be the best idea they could have had, and Abrams really nailed a lot of that old trek feel for me in the trailer.

Really? Cause from I got from the trailer is too much actions, and not a single pro-wrestling action that TOS portrayed.

I'm afraid that old Trek feel may be less like Gene L. Coon or Harlan Ellison style of TOS screenplay and more like the guy who wrote "Spock's Brain" episode.