D&D (2024) New stealth rules.
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GMMichael
Guide of Modos
The surprising part to me was that it is "medium" difficulty to hide when you're already hidden from sight. It's like, after eating breakfast, having a significant chance of failing to break your fast.
Sure, this is how I would interpret it. Besides the DC, it's not bad. There's the weird logical contradiction though, that to get Invisible, you must have concealment and make a check. Failing the check means you don't get the Invisible condition, nor the "Concealed" effect of it - which seems to negate your prior concealment.
Look, I know what invisible means. It’s not my fault Jeremy Crawford spent years droning on about the specific way he was writing the rules to make things as “clear as can be.”
Except now, for I think the first time, the rules say you can tell if someone sees you if you can see them.The key thing to keep in mind as that we only ever THINK were hiding.
KYRON45
Hero
I think there are some special forces operators who would disagree with this.
SpellObjectEnthusiast
Adventurer
I maintain that JC should not have been put as design lead for d&d24. His obsession with RAW minutia per the sage advice twitter pushed 5e away from its design intent and made the system worse. Now d&d24 is written with RAW minutia in mind - and still has significant problems and things that don't work.
OB1
Jedi Master
No, becase the invisible condition ends when you can 'somehow' be seen. In the case of the Hide Action in combat (different than trying to sneak past guards in exploration in which the DM would set a DC for your stealth to beat), the minute you step out of cover, if the monster is looking your direction, they will be able to see you and the condition ends.
What's actually happened with this rule is that Hiding in combat is now almost entirely a defensive action, preventing the PC from being targeted by attacks or spells from the other side.
SpellObjectEnthusiast
Adventurer
DarkCrisis
Let her cook.
Yeah I was going to say, Stealth has always been weird. Did you make your Move Silent check? Good your can sneak anywhere “until conditions change”.
I like it that way for simplicity but really a sneak check vs perception seems the smartest way to handle things.
I bet a lot of people house rule stealth just to keep it simple. Seems it’s just WotC over complicating something when they were trying to simplify it. Everything has to have a condition.
Not every square peg has to fit into a round hole.
Though I suppose everything being a condition helps our current and future VTT and AI DMs to keep track of things.
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