D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[FrogReaver]

Here ya go

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Going to be looking for search as well.

For @OB1

 

[Charlaquin]

Here. I think this fixes the issue, as intended.

The condition ends immediately after any of the following occurs
*you make a sound louder than a whisper
*you are found by and enemy do not have concealment or cover to an enemy
*you make an attack roll
*you cast a spell with a Verbal component.

That would fix it, but I don’t think it’s RAI.

 

[TiQuinn]

I miss Mearls tweets.

I much preferred his take on things.

 

[mamba]

And you don't get the benefit of the third because the Hide action is an action you take in Combat.

so I cannot hide outside of combat? Pretty sure some adventures have goblins hidden in / between trees as you walk along the path…

Let's say you are behind a turned over table, hiding. You made your DC15 check, and none of the enemies used the search action to find you. You pop up from cover to take a shot. One enemy is facing you, another is not. You would not gain the benefit of the invisible condition on the one looking at you (which you would be able to discern) but you would against the one facing away.

that is what I would rule, it is not what the rules say

It feels like everyone is conflating the 'magic' version of invisible with the common definition.

mostly it is WotC, we just discuss the implications

 

[FrogReaver]

I much preferred his take on things.

I didn’t at the time, but I’ve grown to appreciate them.

 

[Charlaquin]

That breaks the invisibility spell. Can’t put those ending conditions in the condition itself or you’ll break invisibility and greater invisibility.

Those ending conditions are part of the Hide action, not the Invisible condition.

 

[TiQuinn]

You might say he included some invisible rules.

RAI = Rules Are Invisible.

 

[vagabundo]

The should have brought in Hidden as a condition rather than reused Invisibility. Used that for the mundane and the other for the magical.

 

[OB1]

so I cannot hide outside of combat? Pretty sure some adventures have goblins hidden in / between trees as you walk along the path…

You don't take the 'Hide' action outside of combat. Nor do you take the "Influence" or "Search" actions outside of combat. Outside of initiative (the definition of what starts combat rules), you describe what your character does and the DM asks for an ability check if the result is uncertain. So if you hear goblins coming your way and say "I want to hide to ambush them when they pass by" the DC15 base doesn't come into play, the DM may just ask for a Dexterity (Stealth) check, and sets a DC (probably based on Passive or Activer perception depending on if the goblins are actively looking for intruders) and may grant them advantage or disadvantage based on where and how you hid.

 

[Charlaquin]

Then why play this game (meaning this parsing of the rule here on the board)? Why harp on what they wrote or didn't write? If we are both in agreement that the rule is written poorly, and no one would want to implement it in their game, why deny someone their interpretation or parsing of the rule?

In part because we can’t even seem to agree on the correct interpretation of what they wrote