D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[strawpberry]

EDIT: double post

 

[mamba]

Because they may not be "seeing" you. See: Blindsense, tremorsense, etc.

that would be the somehow see from the Invisible condition

 

[mamba]

The Hide action rule is written with the assumption that the hiding character will remain hidden,

no it doesn't, you can e.g. sneak attack, which means you leave the cover

 

[mamba]

Only in the sense that some insist that invisible means "impossible to see", rather than "is not (currently) visible".

No, in the sense that this is the condition you gain from the invisibility spell

 

[Charlaquin]

Only in the sense that some insist that invisible means "impossible to see", rather than "is not (currently) visible".

“Impossible to see” is literally what the word invisible means. Unseen would be a better term for “not currently being seen.”

 

[Stalker0]

“Impossible to see” is literally what the word invisible means. Unseen would be a better term for “not currently being seen.”

From Webster's Dictionary.

1
a
: incapable by nature of being seen : not perceptible by vision
a movie about an invisible man

invisible ultraviolet light

b
: inaccessible to view : hidden
an invisible hinge

also : not marked by outward signs
an invisible illness

c
: not openly acknowledged or made known
Had I offended him? Did I cross an invisible line?—Denis Wilson

There are still invisible barriers and glass ceilings which discourage women from studying STEM fields …—Forbes(online)

d
: not able to be recognized or identified
an invisible enemy/threat

… deepened their belief that invisible forces were out to control them …—Luke Mogelson


2
: of such small size or unobtrusive quality as to be hardly noticeable : inconspicuous
an invisible scar

… offering consumers invisible braces that can straighten their smiles in a matter of months without them having to visit the orthodontist …—Danielle Jackson


3
: not noticed or acknowledged : treated as if invisible : overlooked
To now dominate in an industry that a year ago I was invisible in … is something I unapologetically take great pride in.—Fallon Gregory

… highlighting the narratives of society's most underserved and invisible groups.—Kevin Varzandeh


4
a
: not appearing in published financial statements
invisible assets

b
: not reflected in statistics
Teaching English to foreign visitors is estimated to be Britain's sixth largest invisible export …—The Economist

 

[Charlaquin]

Oh, good, I was worried a character who takes the Hide action might still be represented in statistics

 

[Maxperson]

I think that any legitimate way of finding the hidden character has to count. Otherwise, why say it? Also, if the character is invisible as per "cannot be seen" then how does a search (perception) break the Invisible condition in the first place?

Specific beats general. It's a specific hiding rule that overrides the general invisibility rules.

 

[Chaosmancer]

John Cena aside, Camouflage ≠ Invisibility in the real world.

There is no such thing as actual invisibility in the real world though. No living thing is actually invisible in the entire span of the world.

There are a lot of things (shields, hitpoints, ranged attacks) that function very differently in D&D than they do in virtually any context outside of D&D.

I would guess that it is not Rules as Intended, but I cannot say that with 100% certainty because a lot of things that I felt were odd rules actually were RAI in the edition of the game from which the 5e24 update appears (to me) to have taken some influence.

Nothing in 5e was ever absurd to this degree. Once you take this out of the realm of a player acting up and dancing in front of guards, and turn it into "players immolated by a dragon that "hid" in a bush 600 years ago and has been flying around invisible ever since" or "An army of hobgoblins hid behind a hill once, now they march invisible past every single town to sack the capital directly" then it is clear that this interpretation of the intent is nonsense.

 

[Chaosmancer]

The players would lynch the DM if that happened. They simply outnumber them. This is going to be a player thing in practice.

No, in practice, only toxic tables that lack respect between player and DM will ever have a player attempt to argue this absurdity.

It will be a meme, just like the Peasant Railgun.