sukael said:A level 20 raging barbarian with base STR 20 and a nonmagical greataxe could pretty easily pour out the same straight-up damage than a level 20 monk, even with 1 less attack.
1d12+13 = 25 maximum damage, x4 = 100 damage.
That's before counting how a barbarian will have a much easier time getting a magic weapon, or how they only have to focus on Str and Con in general instead of Str/Dex/Con/Wis, or how a barbarian's full BAB means hitting more often...
Exactly. No 20th level barbarian would have a damage output that low. With a 34 STR (when raging) and a +5 greataxe, he's doing 1d12+23 per hit, and that's just bare bones - not even a little bit optimized for damage. Add in weapon enchants (holy, etc.), inherent bonuses to STR, Power Attack, etc., he can easily do double the damage of a monk, if not much more.
Granted, the monk has other abilities to compensate, but these are mainly defensive abilities which protect the monk himself and don't contribute much to the party as a whole. If I was in this party and had to choose who to bring along, I'd much rather have the barbarian.