D&D 5E New Unearthed Arcana Today: Giant Themed Class Options and Feats

A new Unearthed Arcana dropped today, focusing on giant-themed player options. "In today’s Unearthed Arcana, we explore character options related to the magic and majesty of giants. This playtest document presents the Path of the Giant barbarian subclass, the Circle of the Primeval druid subclass, the Runecrafter wizard subclass, and a collection of new feats, all for use in Dungeons & Dragons."


New Class options:
  • Barbarian: Path of the Giant
  • Druid: Circle of the Primeval
  • Wizard: Runecrafter Tradition
New Feats:
  • Elemental Touched
  • Ember of the Fire Giant
  • Fury of the Frost Giant
  • Guile of the Cloud Giant
  • Keeness of the Stone Giant
  • Outsized Might
  • Rune Carver Apprentice
  • Rune Carvwr Adept
  • Soul of the Storm Giant
  • Vigor of the Hill Giant
WotC's Jeremy Crawford talks Barbarian Path of the Giant here:

 
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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Dear oh dear lol, you keep believing that, right, yeah if you don't like the numbers, it's skewed and biased. You and the partisan guy who insists the obviously losing candidate is going to win can high-five each other.
The primary use for D&D Beyond is to build PCs for online gaming. No matter how you want to spin things, that's what the PC building on D&D Beyond is focused on. Online gaming is necessarily skewed towards point buy and array, since the groups are often spread out over great distances and it's just easier to do it that way.
Your math gives us a total of about 200% of players.
No it doesn't. And there's nothing you can do to Strawman my math into a different calculation in order for you to be correct. No matter how much you want to twist what I'm saying so that you can call me wrong and laugh at me, I'm talking about tables and not individual PCs. My math results in about 50% of tables using rolling. Period.
 

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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
so please share the surveys or spy technic you used to get information on all the tables
So once again. A) I don't view D&D Beyond as a valid source, because it necessarily is skewed and biased towards point buy and array, or Reddit and this site as valid sourced, because they are also biased and skewed, B) Apparently @Ruin Explorer and @Faolyn do view these biased and invalid sources as valid, and C) Using the polls from Reddit and this site, with the standard margin of error we get around 50% of tables using the rolling method.

The arguments I am making about the numbers assumes their incorrect conclusions about these sites and D&D Beyond as being correct and are not my position on the matter. My position is that we don't know what the actual numbers are, because there's no valid data out there.
 

So once again. A) I don't view D&D Beyond as a valid source, because it necessarily is skewed and biased towards point buy and array, or Reddit and this site as valid sourced, because they are also biased and skewed, B) Apparently @Ruin Explorer and @Faolyn do view these biased and invalid sources as valid, and C) Using the polls from Reddit and this site, with the standard margin of error we get around 50% of tables using the rolling method.
useing online informal polls that people cna vote multi times and not everyone votes at best is an educated guess...
The arguments I am making about the numbers assumes their incorrect conclusions about these sites and D&D Beyond as being correct and are not my position on the matter. My position is that we don't know what the actual numbers are, because there's no valid data out there.
okay then we agree there is no way to know... and it's dumb to just take any one sites numbers
 

Faolyn

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So once again. A) I don't view D&D Beyond as a valid source, because it necessarily is skewed and biased towards point buy and array, or Reddit and this site as valid sourced, because they are also biased and skewed, B) Apparently @Ruin Explorer and @Faolyn do view these biased and invalid sources as valid, and C) Using the polls from Reddit and this site, with the standard margin of error we get around 50% of tables using the rolling method.

The arguments I am making about the numbers assumes their incorrect conclusions about these sites and D&D Beyond as being correct and are not my position on the matter. My position is that we don't know what the actual numbers are, because there's no valid data out there.
I don't view it as a "valid source." (edit: whatever "valid" means in this context.) I do, however, find it funny that you are willing to use that poll on EN World as a valid source because you thought it supported your claim.

This has happened between her and I multiple times in the past. She hyper focuses on a few individual posts, rather than the context of the conversation and then argues tooth and nail that I am saying something other than what I am saying. 🤷
And here I'm going to point out that you, in the past, have shown unwilling to accept any info that contradicts your beliefs, even when numerous people show you evidence otherwise. A conversation comes to mind about whether or not certain deities who were once formerly demigods were still demigods, despite being able to cast spells in 5e...
 

The primary use for D&D Beyond is to build PCs for online gaming.
Nope.

You're clearly unfamiliar with DNDBeyond.

Until well into the pandemic, you couldn't even use it that way. And then it only worked for than because of a Discord bot (Avrae) and Chrome Extension (Beyond 20) which let it work with Roll20. You're really supporting my point by demonstrating ignorance this way.

As for a "valid source", you and @Parmandur (who at least has been honest about it) have both expressed the opinion that if you dislike a source's numbers, you will discount it. So I don't think Beyond is particularly valid, but it's about the best source of information we have. You literally don't understand what it is. You're doing the equivalent of talking about the 141 Bus as if it was a jet aeroplane.

Online gaming is necessarily skewed towards point buy and array, since the groups are often spread out over great distances and it's just easier to do it that way.
It's literally not an online gaming tool. It doesn't have a VTT - it's been developing one for a long time, but it has never appeared. You've very clearly never used it and are not familiar with it.

Yet you think you're qualified to make proclamations about it. Absolutely wild!

No it doesn't. And there's nothing you can do to Strawman my math into a different calculation in order for you to be correct. No matter how much you want to twist what I'm saying so that you can call me wrong and laugh at me, I'm talking about tables and not individual PCs. My math results in about 50% of tables using rolling. Period.
No-one has to strawman anything. The way you're adding numbers up, if you do it for all the numbers, you go way above 100%, quite close to 200%. Which shows it is a fantasy on your part. So yes, I am calling you wrong, on a really basic level. Your math is not math, it's just you making up numbers, because you apparently don't understand how percentages work (based on your repeated assertions which show a clear lack of understanding).
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Nope.

You're clearly unfamiliar with DNDBeyond.

Until well into the pandemic, you couldn't even use it that way. And then it only worked for than because of a Discord bot (Avrae) and Chrome Extension (Beyond 20) which let it work with Roll20. You're really supporting my point by demonstrating ignorance this way.

As for a "valid source", you and @Parmandur (who at least has been honest about it) have both expressed the opinion that if you dislike a source's numbers, you will discount it. So I don't think Beyond is particularly valid, but it's about the best source of information we have. You literally don't understand what it is. You're doing the equivalent of talking about the 141 Bus as if it was a jet aeroplane.


It's literally not an online gaming tool. It doesn't have a VTT - it's been developing one for a long time, but it has never appeared. You've very clearly never used it and are not familiar with it.
So since it doesn't have it's own, it's not commonly used with any VTT. Got it. I must be imagining my usage of it that way.
No-one has to strawman anything. The way you're adding numbers up, if you do it for all the numbers, you go way above 100%, quite close to 200%. Which shows it is a fantasy on your part. So yes, I am calling you wrong, on a really basic level. Your math is not math, it's just you making up numbers, because you apparently don't understand how percentages work (based on your repeated assertions which show a clear lack of understanding).
My math adds up to 100%. Around 50% of tables use rolling if we take the polls at face value and close to 50% don't. That's 100%. You don't get to switch what I'm adding into something else and then call me wrong. At least 4 times now. That's quite frankly, extreme bad faith arguing on your part. You understand what I'm adding and are deliberately altering that so that you can mock me.
 
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So since it doesn't have it's own, it's not commonly used with any VTT. Got it. I must be imagining my usage of it that way.
It's not designed for online play, and doesn't have any features that make particularly good for that (unlike dozens of other products which do!). In fact it works best for in-person play with people using it as an app on their phone or tablet.

So yeah, you're demonstrably wrong, and stamping your foot and saying you use it for online play doesn't make it so.

And no, it's not "commonly used with any VTT". Indeed if you were using most VTTs, it would be perverse to involve DNDBeyond. Only Roll20, with the Beyond20 Chrome extension would make sense. That Chrome extension didn't become "a thing" until well into the pandemic, after DNDBeyond had existed for a very long time, and nothing about DNDBeyond is adapted to help Roll20. In fact, arguably they've done the opposite.
My math adds up to 100%. Around 50% of tables use rolling if we take the polls at face value and close to 50% don't. That's 100%. You don't get to switch what I'm adding into something else and then call me wrong. That's quite frankly, extreme bad faith arguing on your part.
It literally does not.

If you feel it does, re-link the poll you're specifically referring to so there can be no confusion, and then do the math publicly, rather than making handwaves.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
If you feel it does, re-link the poll you're specifically referring to so there can be no confusion, and then do the math publicly, rather than making handwaves.
I've already linked them and your constant twisting of my math and mocking tone don't deserve me to go back and re-find them for you. They are not too many pages past if you really want to see them.
 

I've already linked them and your constant twisting of my math and mocking tone don't deserve me to go back and re-find them for you. They are not too many pages past if you really want to see them.
I did go back. You've linked and referred to a ton of posts, and going back I can't work out for sure which one the math if referring to. It appeared to be referring to the ENworld post, in which case my allegations are correct, but if it's not the ENworld one, then maybe you claim re: not adding up to over 100% is correct.
 

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