[news] Chainmail is back

I'd like to see more before I stand on my gold box and pass down judgement. Hopefully the rule will be well playtested.
I'm not thrilled with plastic mini's but I don't mind them being pre-painted. I'm certainly no artist.
 

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This news is good

This is good news for four reasons:

1. SAVES TIME
Painting figs takes time, money, skill, and effort. Those requirements are just part of the fun for "Miniature Painter" hobbyists, but are huge obstacles to "D&D Player" hobbyists* who simply want a good-looking representation of their character.

Pre-painted plastic figs are the answer.

"Miniature Painter" hobbyists who love metal figs are completely unaffected by the new Chainmail. They can still play their painting game, having fun with Reaper figs and whatnot.

"D&D Player" hobbyists are in for a real treat. They'll have instant access to hundreds of well-sculpted, pre-painted figs. Buy a box, and you can have a good-looking fig in your hands in about 6 seconds. Compare to *at least* 6 hours for a good-looking metal fig that you have to clean, wash, prime, paint, and seal.

2. SAVES MONEY
Metals are expensive, especially when you consider the cost of paint, materials, and time. Prepainted plastics are cheap.

The "randomly packed" element is cause for concern, but we need details. Does "randomly packed" mean that you get a blank box with 8 totally random figs? Probably not. It probably mean you can buy a box of "Dwarves", and you get a random assortment of dwarves. Or if CH2 is like Mage Knight (3 power levels for each model pose), you may be able to buy a pack with specific figures poses--it's the power levels of those figures that would be randomized.

Either way, my FLGS sells "common" figs for $0.25. That's ONE QUARTER. Yep, CH2 = cheap figs for anyone who wants them.

3. MAKES D&D BETTER
"Each figure will come with D&D and miniature game stats on their card." Buy a bunch of chainmail figs. Place them into bowls, sorted by Challenge Rating or Race or whatever. When you roll a random encounter, grab handfuls as needed. You can quickly reference the stat cards, which will have full D&D (revised) stats. No fuss, no flipping to the "Standard NPC" section of the DMG, no flipping through your ridiculously huge stack of Monster Manual 1/2/Fiend Folio/Creature Collection/whatever books. It's all on handy cards.

"The rulebook will have both Skirmish level and large scale battle rules" Want to run Helm's Deep in your D&D game? Use Chainmail for the mass combat, dropping into D&D rules for encounters with the leaders or for the crux of the battle.

"Randomly packed pre-painted miniatures" Love it or hate it, the effect of this will be access to a large assortment of figs. Including unusual figs. You'll probably have access to whatever it is you want in your game.

Best of all, since this game is designed by WotC, we'll probably see figs that you commonly see in D&D. Like: a ranger dual-wielding two short swords. Spiked Chains. Spiked shields. Spiked Armor. Duelists. Dwarf wizards in full plate using wands or scrolls. Polearms. Half-orc monks. Adventurers (figs with big back packs and many weapons, potions, and scrolls). Drow. Clerics brandishing D&D-accurate Holy Symbols. Druids. Familiars. Templatized creatures (including planetouched).

4. POSSIBILITIES
If this succeeds, think how cool it would be. We could see boxes of Ducal Guard, the army in Greyhawk's Duchy of Urnst. We could see boxes of Red Wizards. We could re-create the Greyhawk Wars, or the War of the Lance, or creatures and battles from the other published worlds.

We could see a Star Wars version of the game. I guess you'd call that game Stormtrooper Armor, or whatever. And there may be licensing issues. But whatever, we may expansions from WotC's other properties. Miniatures-based Quidditch game, anyone?


The clicky bases of Mage Knight are neato, and Warhammer is fun to paint, but man, I can't wait to play a quick, cheap, fun game with pre-painted figs that uses D&D creatures and D&D-flavored rules.

-z, optimist

* I realize some D&D Player hobbyists are also Miniature Painter hobbyists. But not most.
 

Olive said:


you sure? they do a heroic range (which i thought were like 35mm), but they also do a non heroic range. and the Dark Heroes Legends minis i've got a definitely smaller that my GW minis...

Most Reaper Dark Legends minis are in the 35mm range - I measured ;)

The recent Lord of the Rings GW minis seem to be a true 28mm line, and they look a little small next to Reaper stuff, and downright tiny compared to the bloated and cartoonish standard GW minis.
 

MerricB said:
Cons:
* Difficulty in obtaining the one figure you want.
* Some unique/rare figures will be a lot of money to buy on the secondary market.

I'd say if one wanted a definite, single fig, then one would be better served going and buying a metal fig.

The thing is, Chainmail figs are Chainmail figs that can also (very easily) be used in D&D. They're explicitly *not* D&D figs.

Remember all the excitement that gets generated when somone posts a link to a site that sells figs from old fantasy board games? Folks go nuts when learn they can buy a plastic bag of old Hero Quest orcs for $5 or whatever. This is like that, but much much better.

-z
 

Z.: Point taken.

In fact, if the mass-combat system integrates well with D&D, then they have a real winner. :)

Cheers!
 

You know what got me into the new Battletech? A savvy store owner. She took a couple of cases for her collection and then the extras, she sorted by faction and made them into viable armies that you could by at prices ranging from $5-$25.

For $15, I had the army I wanted to play with the type of units I wanted to fool around with and a downloaded rule book. That was cheaper than the random starter. Eventulay the owner made her profits of my contined purchase of singles as I got a better grip on the rules and wanted to expand my army.

If more store owners do that with the new Chainmail, it will be very successful.
 


This is great news and hopefully is not executed half-heartedly, you know 12 different monsters until it sells routine. I hope that random means in relation to armies: ie a box of random skeletons with a rare vampire or lich.... type thing.

Here's a question. Who's writing the rules - Pramas is with Ronin and Skip is working on mass combat for Monte...
 

Kevin O'Reilly said:


He's right, they are closer to 28mm. Stand them along side any true 25mm wargaming model, like Foundry or LoTR, and you'll see they are bigger.

GW figs are cartoon 30mm, meaning the proportions are not to scale as well as being bigger.

Chris, didn't you recommend this strategy initially?

Which strategy? Doing a pre-painted plastic collectible minis game? No.

Making D&D/ Chainmail figs 28mm? Yes, though it wasn't ever really an issue. That's the way the market has gone (and even the historical market is heading that way; Foundry figs are 28mm now, for instance, as are Black Tree and others).
 

KenM said:
So, anyone know when will these new chainmail figs will be out?

The word was for a "fall" release.

As there's no such thing as "fall", that means never. :D (Sorry, Australian/English type joke.)

Cheers!
 

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