No Character Builder Update

[P1NBACK]

No, 'we' aren't. You got a refund as an amiability and not because you were entitled a refund.

No really. I am. If I pay for a service/product and that product doesn't live up to my expectations, I return it or ask for a refund. That's called being a good consumer. Putting your money where your mouth is. Etc...

You're more than welcome to buy an inferior product. No one's arguing against you paying for September's D&D Insider offerings. So, why argue against those who feel like the product is inferior and would like a refund? It makes absolutely no sense outside of staunch fanboyism. Really.

 

[renau1g]

Nah. See. There you go assuming about me. Stop that.

You don't know the first thing about my budget. I said my entertainment budget. Meaning, I have X amount of dollars set aside for entertainment each month/year. When I spend $10 on D&D products (not including any tiles, minis, or books I buy) that's taking away from something else I might do that's entertaining (go to a movie, subscribe to WoW, etc...).

So, if I have a choice of A) spend $10 on nothing or B) go to the movies, which do you think I'm going to do?

Quit presuming my entertainment fund has anything to do with my living expenses. That's just ing rude.

Not presuming anything. Making an observation based on what you posted. I was making an alternative suggestion if $10 is all someone has for entertainment, providing some simple tips on ways to save $'s from someone with years of experience of budgeting, capital, personal, and production. If you save $13 on utilities, you could have $13 more for entertainment . Also, it's better to go with the longer subscription, it's only $6/month. Better value.

Just an added note, there's nothing in any consumer protection laws that REQUIRE a refund or give a refund, you are not entitled to anything. It's not "being a good consumer" it's the company being a good company. They could have just as easily told you (the proverbial you who asked for the refund) to go pound sand. Also, pointing out that there was something in September as part of what the cost of a month's subscription entails is not fanboyism, it's fact. There IS an issue of Dungeon available and and issue of Dragon available. That you choose not to use them in no way invalidates the simple fact that they exist.

 

[Umbran]

It makes absolutely no sense outside of staunch fanboyism.

Either you knew exactly how rude that was, or you were completely clueless about how rude that was. I'm not sure which is worse.

Next time, how about you try to make your point without suggesting other people are irrational just because you don't get where they're coming from, okay? Thanks.

 

[Mad Hamish]

I just don't get why there are so many apologists here getting mad that someone says "well if they delayed my Sept. update, I should be allowed to delay my Sept. payment". To me that sounds perfectly fair & reasonable.

I once subscribed to a magazine that was supposed to be 6 issues/year. They ended up only putting out 4. Guess what they did- they gave me the next two issues from the next year to honor their end of the subscription of 6 issues what a concept.

Does this mean that everyone will get a free month added to the end of their DDI subscription? Only time will tell...

a) DDI is more than the character builder and you're still getting dungeon and dragon updates, so you're still getting at least part of your subscription value
b) there has never been a guarantee in the licence that there will be a character builder every month.

The magazine case is different because you are subscribing for a number of magazines (or in more common subscription situations the magazines are stated as being out on a fixed schedule)

 

[Mad Hamish]

No really. I am. If I pay for a service/product and that product doesn't live up to my expectations, I return it or ask for a refund. That's called being a good consumer. Putting your money where your mouth is. Etc...

You're more than welcome to buy an inferior product. No one's arguing against you paying for September's D&D Insider offerings. So, why argue against those who feel like the product is inferior and would like a refund? It makes absolutely no sense outside of staunch fanboyism. Really.

You weren't entitled to a refund.
Wizards have not breached any part of their service agreement.
They have chosen to go beyond what they had to do and give you a refund.

If something doesn't live up to your expectations you aren't entitled to a refund if it actually meets what was agreed to in the agreement. If I go to a movie and it fails to entertain me I'm not entitled to a refund on it.

 

[Theroc]

You weren't entitled to a refund.
Wizards have not breached any part of their service agreement.
They have chosen to go beyond what they had to do and give you a refund.

If something doesn't live up to your expectations you aren't entitled to a refund if it actually meets what was agreed to in the agreement. If I go to a movie and it fails to entertain me I'm not entitled to a refund on it.

Don't theaters have a 15 minute rule or something? Or was that just my LFMT?

 

[Ahrimon]

Don't theaters have a 15 minute rule or something? Or was that just my LFMT?

I think no update is more like demanding your money back because they don't have any popcorn.

 

[Ryujin]

Something just came to mind. I seem to recall that there was a statement, somewhere in the original release of Character Builder, that you were entitled to 5 update downloads a month. Since the site rebuild I can't find it now. I'm the sort of person who reinstalls the O/S fairly frequently, to maintain peak performance, and this would be a good month to do that. With 5 systems being updated for player use, there doesn't seem to have been a reset of the "installation counter" this month.

 

[Shag]

You may have missed it, but The Rules of EN World are clear on this matter - if you have questions or comments on moderation, don't take them up in-thread. Take them to e-mail or PM with a moderator. Thanks.

~Umbran

 

[Zaran]

The way that new Essentials Survivor Guide article talks we might not be getting an October Errata.

One thing you will want to check out is the updates to existing rules that are presented in Heroes of the Fallen Lands (and a similar file that will surely be released with Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdom).

We may have to wait for HoFK for things like updates to the Half-Elf. I was hoping for a big essentials based errata for October.