D&D 5E No longer interested in 5e now

[avin]

This tread should be just closed before... you know.

 

[mkill]

In a perfect world, we'd have two editions: one for the haters, elitists, edition warriors and negative people, and one for the rest of us.

 

[Consonant Dude]

Gamers are a tough crowd.

 

[Essenti]

...pretending to be a magical gumdrop elf...

I resent that remark, sir... Just because I like to play the magical elf, from Happy Land, who lives in a gumdrop house on Lolly Pop Lane... does not mean I play a dumb old gumdrop elf!

 

[Connorsrpg]

I just want to know who 'we' are in the OP. Seems it means 'I'.

FWIW I haven't got my ideal edition yet (mechanics-wise). I certainly won't argue/fight over any edition, b/c all had parts I liked and well, did not like (no flames there ).

I am REALLY looking forward to see what 5E brings. The bonus is (hopefully) we can recreate any edition's style....and I get 'the' edition of rules I am after

 

[TheAuldGrump]

Hmmm, system doesn't do something they never said it was able to do, and now you are claiming it is going to fail. That is like buying a car and finding out it can't fly, and then getting pissed at the car manufacturer, even though they never said the car could fly.

You never know, the manufacturer may be surprised when he sees you fly away in it....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=276b6vNT_4Q]Tooth-gnasher Superflash[/ame]

Reading Rainbow - Tooth-gnasher Superflash....

I can't believe that I still remember that episode of Reading Rainbow, saw it once, babysitting, more than a decade ago.... "But you know, it can't do half the things our good old Thunderclap 8 could do...."

The Auld Grump

 

[Dannager]

Sorry, but, I care less about playing a D&D game with mixed styles. I just want my edition of game to continue getting support, in fact, I want all 4 editions getting support. That's the best way to go, and it'd be more than profitable than any new edition could accomplish. This is because you capture every generation of D&D gamer ever to exist to come throwing their money at you for products for their preferred edition.

And in the process split your customer base into any number of segments, each clamoring for different products that use up huge chunks of development time with a huge cast of designers and smaller production runs that cripple your margins. We saw how well this worked out for TSR (replace "editions" with "campaign settings" and you have an identical scenario), and you want to revive it.

You think you want something, but you really don't want it because it will mean another downward spiral for the hobby. You just don't know that you don't want it.

 

[The Shadow]

But I bet it was funny though. Paranoia was one of those games where reading the rulebook was really funny. Just don't tell the computer.

Citizen, there are multiple charges of Commie Mutant Treason against Friend Computer within those sentences. You are hereby ordered to report for execution without delay, a minimum of three times.

 

[Oni]

Why not wait and judge the final product on its own merits. Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll be terrible, maybe it'll just be mediocre, or maybe it just won't be for you, but passing judgement now seems a bit presumptive, premature, and pointless.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

I'd just love this "D&D play - any edition char you want - TOGETHER" game.

"The wraith hits you! You are drained of 1d4 levels!"
"Haha! I play the 4e char! No level drain for me. Just losing a couple of healing surges!"
"Damnit!"

4e Cleric: "I use my healing surges to get myself back to full".
1e Fighter: "Great. Now heal me, will you?"
4e Cleric: *waves hand* "Here, spend a healing surge +1d6".
1e Fighter: "But i don't have... Aaaagh!"

"If the goblin enters this square, i get an AoO. I threaten it".
"The goblin gets +2 against OAs provoked by moving".
"Yeah, but does this help against AoOs? Just asking, of course!"
"Hey, i think as an 1e fighter, i get a passing attack regardless of any stuff!"
"Woah, your 1e fighter is sticky!"
*Looks down at his charsheet* "Damn this coolaid!"

"Okay, roll for system shock".
"Wah?"
"I mean, uh, make a... well... i attack your fortitude! Yes" *rolls* "Hit!"
"What happens nown?"
"You die"
"Oh. Well, my paragon path ability triggers. I'm back to life again"
"Wah?"

"You hear the voice of your god, scalding you. Suddenly you realize that you lost your powers!"
"But in 4e, you get your powers for good! Your god cannot take them away once you get them".
"Well, YOU decided to worship Cyric, did you? He isn't able to answer prayers in 4e, so it must be the 3e Cyric, so he can take away your powers. QED".
"I hate you so much".

"It will be very hard to open that knot. The bandit who made it had a Use Rope skill of +12!"
"Uh, i don't have Use Rope. I'm a 4e char".
"Well, my 1e thief doesn't have the necessary NWP".
"Ha! Use Rope is useful again! Wooohooo" *DM's victory dance"
Barbarian: "I hack the rope in twain. Regardless of edition".

Etc.

 

[Ichneumon]

You're not interested in 5e because it won't allow you to not play 5e?

That's a Mobius shaped logic pretzel if ever there was one.

 

[Mark CMG]

I just want my edition of game to continue getting support, in fact, I want all 4 editions getting support.

That'd be a good thing. They really would be doing a solid to the community if they'd just make the PDFs of older edition materials available again. They've had plenty enough time to look into it, as they seem to say about things they will likely never do and want to not discuss. Probably as the fan base we should just realize that if it isn't already part of the plan, it's never going to be.

 

[Aehrlon]

Yes, available PDFs would be cool but don't forget good 'ol Ebay (& sites that sell old school gaming stuff). I got a MINT 1E Player's Handbook with the original "Idol" cover on Ebay some years back for a song (like $10 including shipping). I'll reserve any judgement on this new edition until I've seen more; I'm looking forward to [hopefully] being involved in play-testing.

Also, one thing I do think WotC should try to include would be some sort of conversion formula (or supplement to come later) for Characters, Monsters & simple rules from old editions to make it so you can use some older material with the new 5E game. Let's face it, many or even most of us have collections of books from X Edition; sure, we can just play the old Edition of the game but I'm optimistic about this new 'iteration' & would probably be sold ahead of time with some promise of conversion-compatibility... did I just coin a new term?!?

 

[Li Shenron]

I just want my edition of game to continue getting support, in fact, I want all 4 editions getting support. That's the best way to go, and it'd be more than profitable than any new edition could accomplish. This is because you capture every generation of D&D gamer ever to exist to come throwing their money at you for products for their preferred edition.

I agree completely that supporting all older editions would be the best, but unfortunately WotC is a business, and presumably they won't make a profit by doing such thing. Although at least they could digitize all older books (or at least the main ones) and sell them as pdf files, that could perhaps be somewhat profitable.

The original problem is RPG are and always remain pen & paper & lots of own fantasy. If you don't want to spend money, you can still play the game with one book (or three), and I believe a lot of people still do that with the older editions. Profitability mainly comes from hard gamers and collectors who need new books and new editions, plus a larger number of core-books-only buyers who need only advertising which in turn benefits a lot from a new edition.

I was hoping more along the lines of everyone gets to play their edition as is and supported, or everyone plays their edition at the same time with some sort of set of rules to help with that, and also continues getting support for the 4 editions like new game material and campaign books.

I never thought that playing different editions at the same table was possible. Different-edition-styled PCs + ONE chosen game style by the DM is as far as we go.

 

[Ichneumon]

I'd just love this "D&D play - any edition char you want - TOGETHER" game.
Etc.

Just wait till BECMI joins the fray! The PCs might not even get out of the starting gate.

"What class are you?"
"An elf"
"An elf what?"
"Just an elf. That's it."
"Well you can't be just an elf, you have to be something else as well. Like a fighter."
"Fighters are humans. Elves are elves. But enough of this. What class are you?"
"A vampire."
(1e paladin) "AAAAGHHH EVIL! KILL IT!!!"

A few moments later
"Well, that was close - why didn't you guys help me?"
"Sorry, I was looking up the 3e grappling rules."
"Sorry, I was scared of being level drained if I got too close"
"Sorry, I was looking in the 4e handbooks to see if I can get to play a beholder."
"Well, never mind. But I'm really badly hurt and out of healing surges. Who will let me suck their blood?"

...

"Well ... sometimes, you just can't hold a paladin back."
"I rolled legitimate pally stats. No help from houserules. I'll have to play a dumb old fighter or cleric next. IT'S NOT FAIR!"
"Should have left me alone then."
"If it lives in a crypt or has scales and a snout, you kill it. No exceptions."
"You wouldn't survive five minutes in Sigil then. Inhabitants like that are on the normal side."
"Yeah yeah ... Gonna roll, be back soon."

"Woot! More hot rolling. I get to be a monk, AND I have psionic powers!"
"Well duh, monks ARE psionic."
(Nearly everyone else) "No they're not!"
(The Elf) "What's psionics? Also, what's a monk?"
"A monk is a class that's skilled in unarmed combat, plus the use of some special monk weapons."
"Yeah, and he's also kind of a thief..."

Thwack

"Oh no, not again! Why did you do that?"
"I'm not having some stinky thief hanging around."
"Umm - I think he meant to say 'rogue'"
"Oops - sorry. See you with your next character."

"Back again. Now I'm an assassin."
"Assassins don't exist."
"What's an assassin?"
"1st level characters can't be assassins. It's a prestige class."
"Since none of you three think I exist, you ALL DIE! Mwahahahaha!!"
"Oh ... darn."
"OK, just us left. I'm evil. You're evil. Let's go adventuring."
"Umm, I might be a vampire, but I'm actually Lawful Good."
"You're what?! Why didn't you tell my paladin?"
"I would've done, but he was just too Lawful Stupid to listen."

 

[nedjer]

Just wait till BECMI joins the fray! The PCs might not even get out of the starting gate.

"What class are you?"
"An elf"
"An elf what?"
"Just an elf. That's it."
"Well you can't be just an elf, you have to be something else as well. Like a fighter."
"Fighters are humans. Elves are elves. But enough of this. What class are you?"
"A vampire."
(1e paladin) "AAAAGHHH EVIL! KILL IT!!!"

A few moments later
"Well, that was close - why didn't you guys help me?"
"Sorry, I was looking up the 3e grappling rules."
"Sorry, I was scared of being level drained if I got too close"
"Sorry, I was looking in the 4e handbooks to see if I can get to play a beholder."
"Well, never mind. But I'm really badly hurt and out of healing surges. Who will let me suck their blood?"

...

"Well ... sometimes, you just can't hold a paladin back."
"I rolled legitimate pally stats. No help from houserules. I'll have to play a dumb old fighter or cleric next. IT'S NOT FAIR!"
"Should have left me alone then."
"If it lives in a crypt or has scales and a snout, you kill it. No exceptions."
"You wouldn't survive five minutes in Sigil then. Inhabitants like that are on the normal side."
"Yeah yeah ... Gonna roll, be back soon."

"Woot! More hot rolling. I get to be a monk, AND I have psionic powers!"
"Well duh, monks ARE psionic."
(Nearly everyone else) "No they're not!"
(The Elf) "What's psionics? Also, what's a monk?"
"A monk is a class that's skilled in unarmed combat, plus the use of some special monk weapons."
"Yeah, and he's also kind of a thief..."

Thwack

"Oh no, not again! Why did you do that?"
"I'm not having some stinky thief hanging around."
"Umm - I think he meant to say 'rogue'"
"Oops - sorry. See you with your next character."

"Back again. Now I'm an assassin."
"Assassins don't exist."
"What's an assassin?"
"1st level characters can't be assassins. It's a prestige class."
"Since none of you three think I exist, you ALL DIE! Mwahahahaha!!"
"Oh ... darn."
"OK, just us left. I'm evil. You're evil. Let's go adventuring."
"Umm, I might be a vampire, but I'm actually Lawful Good."
"You're what?! Why didn't you tell my paladin?"
"I would've done, but he was just too Lawful Stupid to listen."

These are very funny - but these clashes are perhaps why it's a new edition. Those differences have to be ironed-out one way or another. Some will be straightforward - e.g. race and class is likely to win out over an elf class. Others, maybe like feats, will probably be treated on a different/ optional level, where they operate on one module without carrying any baggage back into the core.

 

[jbear]

Good on you Keefe and Ichneumon for turning this vile thread into a spot of good humour!

 

[Tequila Sunrise]

Just like it was stupid to take everything in an MMO and blend them into a TTRPG. You can see how well 4E did because of that mistake.

Taking an unrelated potshot at 4e with a 4 year old catch phrase, classy. Welcome to the 4hater bandwagon!

Honestly I don't think 5e will be the amazing utopian One Edition to Rule Them All either, but it'll fair better than what you'd been hoping for. For a variety of reasons.

 

[DaveMage]

Personally, I'm not looking for a new edition - there are already plenty to choose from (especially if you throw in the retro-clones, C&C, etc.).

Do I think 5E will be a good game? Yes. Mike & Monte are solid designers.

Do I need it? No.

Do I think enough people will buy it to make it successful? Yes - mainly 4E/Essentials (4x) fans that will (eventually) find their edition is no longer supported, but it will also attract those who do not like the complexity of 3.x/4.x.

Is there anything that would get me to drop Pathfinder for it? Not that I can see.

 

[neofish]

I do NOT want my favourite edition supported (and I'm not saying which one that is) because - as many others have pointed out - attempting to put out material for four (or more) editions is an insane business idea, and will quickly lead to bankruptcy for WOTC. They won't even countenance it, I'm sure. What I would like - which is where the development seems to be headed - is if, for instance, I were playing a 2e game one night, or 4e or whatever, I could pick up a new adventure from 5e, and - with a few decisions on what options to include - could play that in my game, or vice versa. Wizards are looking for the pot of gold over the rainbow with this one, and whilst they may fail spectacularly (I think this is the last throw of the dice for D&D, and, in attempting to please everyone you usually end up pleasing no-one) I'm very excited to see what they still have up their sleeves after thirty years of game design and will absolutely give it a chance to convince me.