D&D 5E No One Plays High Level?

very strange ruling, then.
Thinking about it, I'm not so sure. I mean, if the 10 minute casting time is a requirement, then so are range, duration and the need to see the target. You could use a wish to drop a fireball that lasts an hour on a king 10,000 miles away. That seems like a special use of wish to me, not copying fireball as an 8th level or less spell.

I can see it being ruled either way, but I'd personally rule that it happens without the risk of loss.
 

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Thinking about it, I'm not so sure. I mean, if the 10 minute casting time is a requirement, then so are range, duration and the need to see the target. You could use a wish to drop a fireball that lasts an hour on a king 10,000 miles away. That seems like a special use of wish to me, not copying fireball as an 8th level or less spell.

I can see it being ruled either way, but I'd personally rule that it happens without the risk of loss.
i think that might actually work as a regular case RAW (although definitely not RAI). that weird tidbit aside, the requirement clause also isn't the only reason i think you ignore the regular casting time - there's also the "The spell simply takes effect" clause. wish is an action, and if "The spell simply takes effect", that sounds like it'd do so right when you spend the action to cast wish, not 10 minutes later.
 


I wish I could cast wish as an 8th level spell.
the monkey's paw curls - roll to see if you can never cast wish again. if you can cast it again, make your wish.

what? you said you wished to cast wish as an 8th level spell. you didn't say you wanted to add it to your spells known/prepared as an 8th level spell. ;)
 

@kigmatzomat

"You mean like cavalry? Yeah, cannon were good at shooting cavalry. Why? case shot. Aim low, hit the ground between you and them, get a cone of lead dozens of yards wide."

And there were LOTS of cavalry AND they were charging straight, not evading. Shooting at four horse riders who are zig-zagging or even just going in a circle around the cannon would not work very well. They couldn't aim it fast enough.

You keep trying to make cannons effective against small evading groups and it just won't work. Cannons were designed to use against armies, stationary enemy cannons, and enemy fortifications. Things that were either not moving, or were in large groups such that you were bound to hit someone if you just sort of aimed in the right direction.

"As for zig-zagging, moving laterally loses forward motion. How much do you need to zig to dodge multiple cones of case/canister? 40ft? 60ft? Will you take another volley as a result? Or just die extra tired?"

No. Zig-zagging does not have to end forward movement. You can indeed zig-zag and still move forward. I see it happen on many Sundays during football season. As for being extra tired, even a dozen people are going to tire far more quickly trying to swing a massively heavy cannon back and forth to aim at the zig-zagging group, than the fairly lightly equipped zig-zagging group will. ;)
Canons always sucked. Even in the 1800's. Now in the 1800's they were building smaller cannons that could be readjusted quicker but they were smaller and fired smaller shot. But from the origin of the canon to mortars now they are most effective when you place 100's of them in a row and just fire repeatedly to block movement on one part of the battlefield. Or coversely when you hide them and fire at people when they don't know you are there. Everything in between just kind of sucks for canons. And we could dedicate an entire thread on the multiple ways canons maimed and killed the soldiers and sailers that fired them.
 

i think that might actually work as a regular case RAW (although definitely not RAI). that weird tidbit aside, the requirement clause also isn't the only reason i think you ignore the regular casting time - there's also the "The spell simply takes effect" clause. wish is an action, and if "The spell simply takes effect", that sounds like it'd do so right when you spend the action to cast wish, not 10 minutes later.

Keep in mind @MNblockhead also mentioned that the Wish ALSO significantly increased the area covered by the spell (Which must have been pretty big to be over the 40,000 square feet already allowed, or maybe it was also covering a big height).

That kind of "extra" could also justify the "special wish" provision.
 


I would think so, but the post in question made a point of saying that he was using it to cast Forbiddance in less than 10 minutes, so I think that's where the potential loss of wish came from.

Edit: Is casting time a requirement, or are requirements things like jeweled sticks and pints of blood or whatever?
no that wouldn't have anything to do with it. wishing a forbiddance spell would be perfectly acceptable within the safe parameters of the spell. It's only a 6th level cleric spell. Time casting is for the wish . The chance to lose wish would only kick in if you asked for more than a 7th level cleric spell. confusing all the way around.

edit....NVM missed the size.
 

the monkey's paw curls - roll to see if you can never cast wish again. if you can cast it again, make your wish.

what? you said you wished to cast wish as an 8th level spell. you didn't say you wanted to add it to your spells known/prepared as an 8th level spell. ;)
Okay. I can tango.

I wish to create a new spell called Wishh that has exactly the same effects as Wish and add it to my spell book and cast it with my slots etc etc. now it doesn’t matter if I lose the ability to cast Wish, I can still cast Wishh.

Note since Wishh is exactly the same effects as Wish then failing the roll on Wishh only means I cannot cast Wish.

Do I win d&d yet?
 


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