D&D 5E (2014) Not upgrading? What version of D&D 5e are you sticking with?

[Zardnaar]

I am curious how the 2024 monk holds up against 2014 classes. I've been in the camp that the monk was weak in 2014, is it balanced now, or is it OP against toehr 2014 classes I wonder.

I'm seeing one on action. Its on par with other good strikers.

Bit smoother than say a Paladin, Barbarian and Ranger who spike at certain levels. So more like fighter in that regard.

 

[el-remmen]

Not sure how to vote. I use 2014 5e + whatever I like from all the books after it and all the editions before it. My next campaign will be a homebrew 5e ruleset.

 

[Clint_L]

I am curious how the 2024 monk holds up against 2014 classes. I've been in the camp that the monk was weak in 2014, is it balanced now, or is it OP against toehr 2014 classes I wonder.

Well, every 2024 class is OP against 2014 classes. Maybe not moon Druids. But everyone else.

However, monk from being a consensus bottom tier class to a consensus top tier class.

For those arguing 2014 monk is fine, most players did not agree, and evidently, neither did WotC, since they improved:

Base damage.
Base defence.
Base mobility.
Base resource availability.
Ability to do monk stuff without resources.
Can use dexterity for grappling (this is a MASSIVE improvement for monks; between this, dodge as a bonus action, and deflect attack they are now very capable tanks in certain situations).

But they did nerf stunning strike to one attempt per round. Which is good! Monk is no longer a one trick pony but a true hard hitting skirmisher.

 

[Nikosandros]

Well, every 2024 class is OP against 2014 classes. Maybe not moon Druids. But everyone else.

What do you think about paladins? From reading them, it seems to me that they are less powerful, but more versatile. However, I've not yet played with the 2024 rules.

 

[Zardnaar]

What do you think about paladins? From reading them, it seems to me that they are less powerful, but more versatile. However, I've not yet played with the 2024 rules.

They're more powerful except for nova smiting on every attack.

For exampke they can dual wield and divine favor lost concentration. Level 11 damage boost on all attacks.

Divine favor free damage if pre cast.

 

[Clint_L]

What do you think about paladins? From reading them, it seems to me that they are less powerful, but more versatile. However, I've not yet played with the 2024 rules.

Mastery alone makes them more powerful than their 2014 incarnations. Mastery is a LOT stronger than a lot of folks realize, when you math out the various effects. Martial classes in general got the most buffs; paladins remain a top tier class. Maybe not THE top class, as many felt previously, but still in the conversation. They don't nova quite as hard but their sustained damage is increased.