Official ruling on Battlerager Vigor mechanics

[James McMurray]

I don't suspect this power will get too out of control as a hammer wielding Dwarf's to hit was already weak to begin with. I played one with a 16 str without BRV who was already missing his attacks too often for my liking. With BRV costing a point to hit, he will miss even more and not be getting as many invigorating THP as people might imagine.

It looks like the concern has mostly shifted from hammer dwarves to normal fighters taking this because the temp hp are stronger than the +1 to hit. I too don't see much of a problem in a build that's designed to miss, even if statistically he's doing more average damage. But if it's so much stronger than the base weapon talent that there's little reason to not pick it, there's a problem.

 

[Sunglare]

NO. Because he has just one pool of 8 THP, not 4 Vigor THP, and 4 Invigorating THP.

THP do not recall the source they come from they are just one pile. the stacking on Invigorating is only checked as you gain them. Once they are added to the pile where they came from doesn't matter.

So he goes down to 4 hit points, then gains 4 THP from Battle Vigor (but they do not stack) so he still only has 4 THP.

Yeah.... this is probably why people don't like to admit they are wrong on the internet. Even after addmitting and showing they understand, people still show to try and explain it to them

 

[Bagpuss]

Yeah.... this is probably why people don't like to admit they are wrong on the internet. Even after addmitting and showing they understand, people still show to try and explain it to them

If you want to admit you are wrong it's usually a good idea to go back and edit where you made your mistake.

 

[James McMurray]

If you want to admit you are wrong it's usually a good idea to go back and edit where you made your mistake.

Why? Have we shifted into a revisionist society where mistakes are to be swept under the rug? Or would it be better to leave history unchanged and expect people who want to jump on somebody to actually read an entire thread first. It seems to me that expecting others to work to prevent you* from looking silly is a bit egotistical.

* generic "you," referring to anyone that thinks others should edit their posts so they don't accidentally call somebody on something that's already been resolved and reveal their own inability to keep up with the thread.

 

[Bagpuss]

Why? Have we shifted into a revisionist society where mistakes are to be swept under the rug?

By edit I mean add something to say you no longer agree with what you wrote before. Not remove completely. That isn't revisionist, that's making clear your current position.

Also since it was my point he was originally arguing against I though I should offer why I thought what I did in response, I was responding in order, as the points arose rather than skipping to the end, a perfectly valid way of using a message board.

 

[James McMurray]

Cool. I guess I just assumed that's what the multiquote button is for: so I don't look silly replying to issues that have already been resolved.

 

[Nail]

I guess I just assumed that's what the multiquote button is for: so I don't look silly replying to issues that have already been resolved.

Amen.

...and Long Live the Multiquote Button!

 

[Nail]

I note that all of the examples posted here start with the battlerager damaged first, then he uses his invigorating powers.

What if the reverse occured? That is, what if the battlerager first hit with an invigorating power, then got damaged by a melee attack? According to the posters above, he doesn't get to stack the battlerager THP on top of the invigorating THP.

So...you can stack invigorating on top of battlerager THP, but you can't stack battlerager on top of invigorating THP.

Huh.

 

[James McMurray]

Invigorating temp hp only stack with temp hp you already have. Once they've been applied, their type no longer matters because their chance to stack has passed.

A BRV fighter with temp hp (from any source), who gets hit, will not get to stack his new temp hp with his old, because they are not from an invigorating power.

A quick rundown of the two questions to ask when seeing if temp hp stack:

1) Are they a BRV fighter?
no: no stacking
yes: goto 2

2) Is it an invigorating power?
no: no stacking
yes: it stacks with everything you've already got

There may later be other ways to stack temp hp (or I may have missed something), but that's currently all you have to ask when gaining temp hps.

 

[abyssaldeath]

I note that all of the examples posted here start with the battlerager damaged first, then he uses his invigorating powers.

What if the reverse occured? That is, what if the battlerager first his with an invigorating power, then got hit by a melee attack? According to the posters above, he doesn't get to stack the battlerager THP on top of the invigorating THP.

So...you can stack invigorating on top of battlerager THP, but you can't stack battlerager on top of invigorating THP.

Huh.

That's correct. Invigorating only stacks with THP you already have. One way stacking. Otherwise, it would get too confusing (pot, yes you are black). You would have to keep track of 2 THP pools and then would have to try and figure out which THP get removed first.