Ok, so who can be the creator? [2005 Thread]

[Liquidsabre]

If, in fact, the creator had to be the one with the Item Creation feat, this line:

would be written much differently. Since it does not specify that you need the Item Creation feat in order to be considered the item's creator, ruling so takes you beyond the RAW.

And, really, is it actually a bad thing that the party Wizard can help the party Cleric scribe some scrolls of CLW and Neutralize Poison?

That's odd, I'd think that the text shouldn't need to specify that only characters with the necessary Item Creation feat meet the requirements for being considered a "creator" when the text for *all* Item Creation feats state: "You can create..." Characters without the appropriate Item Creation feat cannot create, and hence, cannot be designated a "creator" when cooperating in the crafting of a magic item.

Either way, it's definately a weak rules point and very much needs to be addressed for clarity.

 

[Hypersmurf]

That's odd, I'd think that the text shouldn't need to specify that only characters with the necessary Item Creation feat meet the requirements for being considered a "creator" when the text for *all* Item Creation feats state...

Well, all the "Creating X" descriptions (Armor, Weapons, Rods, Wondrous Items, etc) state that the creator must prepare (or know) the spells required. But the Prerequisites section makes it clear that they can be supplied from an external source.

Hmm. Actually, given that... I'd be inclined to allow the elven rogue to supply the 'Creator must be an elf' prerequisite, even though the human wizard is the one designated 'the creator' for XP and caster level purposes.

If "The creator must prepare the spells" prerequisite can be supplied by a wand, the 'creator must be an elf' prerequisite can probably be supplied by stirring sixty pounds of diced elf into the cauldron, right?

-Hyp.

 

[HeavyG]

Right.

"Nice boots of elvenkind. What kind of leather are they, by the way ?"

 

[Liquidsabre]

Lol eeewww.

Yea, cooperative magic item crafting is certainly clear in that section, too bad there isn't very clear agreement with text in both the DMG and PHB. As a DM you'll have to pick the text you want to use I suppose, shame that. Though I'd prefer to just stick to that Prereq section as a guideline for cooperative magic item creation and ignore the other text. Honestly though I'll probably just go with my own variant for cooperative magic item creation. Ah well.

 

[Bad Paper]

Y'all are crazy

The person who pays the XP cost is the person with the feat. No fighters paying XP for boots of elvenkind. I don't think this is even a house-rule.

Furthermore, in my campaign I do not allow any spellcaster-collaboration with the Scribe Scroll feat. That may or may not be a house-rule, depending on your interpretation of things, but it's an easy thing to set in stone, and ultimately works in the party's favor. (though they may not realize it yet ).

 

[Hypersmurf]

The person who pays the XP cost is the person with the feat. No fighters paying XP for boots of elvenkind. I don't think this is even a house-rule.

It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.

If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.

Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat).

So:

1. The list of prerequisites is a/ the feat, and b/ something that isn't the feat.
2. More than one character can cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites - which include the feat, and not-the-feat (see 1).
3. Cooperating characters designate one to be considered 'the creator'; this person determines caster level and pays the XP.

So a character who is providing a non-feat prerequisite can, by the rules, be deemed the creator and pay the XP.

We'all may be crazy, but it's what the book says.

-Hyp.