One Annoyed God + One Stuborn Player

[Centaur]

As far as whether the church is in the right or not, as questioned by Lord Pendragon, taking shelter in the church is taking shelter in the church. If someone has claimed sanctuary and the church respects it, that's it. If churches start allowing their claimants to be butched, then they lose the trust of anybody who would come to them. Yes, pride is involved, but so is propriety. And these characters don't appear to have tried to avoid public mayhem and disorder in their actions. It may have been an ultimately good goal to nail the BBEG, but carried out in a way that broke other good goals: sanctity of the church and public peace.

Exactly my point, well said.


Thanks to everyone for your comments.

Maybe having the god interveen is a little much.

I think I'll start with the church talking to some allied churches in the same city about the PCs actions. The Church is already witholding services to this PC, but not the rest of the party. Maybe a few of the others churches will start charging slightly inflated fees to him.

I think I'll have the church offer a sort of 'Cake Walk' mission to the PC who made quick on the appology. He may have been sorry for his actions, but he still performed the crime.

 

[Centaur]

All that magic being flung about freely in the biggest temple to the god of magic in your world? With the highest level priests of that god?

And your telling me that they didn't notice the aura of magic on those two "12 year old sisters"? No wards set up to cancle illusions automaticly? No teleport wards? Nothing?

That god should be ashamed of his high clerics. THAT is where his pride should be wounded.

The church was full of people looking for help as the result of a major hail storm that happen to hit the city at the same time as this was happening. The only reason that Nobody was attending the BBEG at the moment that he walked in is becase they were helping other people.

This particular god frowns on the use of any such protection magics for the front hall of her churches. She doesn't want to prevent people from using their magics in the front hall.

Respect for authority is different than Iron Clan prevention of Abuse. If people respect the authority of the God, then they wouldn't commit such acts.

 

[Tsyr]

Maybe a few of the others churches will start charging slightly inflated fees to him.

Of course, every action has a re-action... Temples opposed to that god, or whom have had problems in the past with it, might start giving a discount

 

[Tsyr]

The church was full of people looking for help as the result of a major hail storm that happen to hit the city at the same time as this was happening. The only reason that Nobody was attending the BBEG at the moment that he walked in is becase they were helping other people.

This particular god frowns on the use of any such protection magics for the front hall of her churches. She doesn't want to prevent people from using their magics in the front hall.

Respect for authority is different than Iron Clan prevention of Abuse. If people respect the authority of the God, then they wouldn't commit such acts.

The problem is, the god seems to have that attitude of a monotheistic diety, or a diety of a pantheon where all gods are worshiped by all people to some extent or another... IE, that he should in any way expect due respect from everyone, or something... In a standard DnD setting, this doesn't work, because everyone doesn't.

Granted, your setting could be different, but...

 

[Oleg]

I really dont think that you sould punish your player for his action. He plays his character as a stubborn person... So what? I think that kind of play adds more fun to a game. If everything in the game went as smoothly as the GM planned them, or if all the plans of the PCs worked to every detail, then the game wouldnt be a fun game. Depending on how interested the gods are about the actions of mortals in your game, the god of magic should act accordingly. But I think he should just be named an enemy of the church as you first mentioned. The clergy could put a bounty on his head. Maybe a magic item. That would be fun.

 

[Centaur]

Re: Re: One Annoyed God + One Stuborn Player

You would be out of line, unless the god of magic is allied with the church he's offended, *and* it's established that sorcerers in your game draw their powers from the god of magic and can have them taken away - ie they're quasi-clerics. Personally I can't see that the sorcerer PC is doing anything wrong, in-character. He should simply be 'punished' by gaining the offended church as an enemy, and its allies. I'd think that was punishment enough.

It is the Church of the god of magic were the transgression occured.

I never thought this question would generate such a tidal wave of opposition. I really should think more before posting 'controversional' questions.

That said, there will be no involvement from the god of any kind. At least not this early in this event.

I suddenly feel like my back is to the wall and I'm being stoned.

This is why these forumns are a good thing. Spare the Players a GMs ill concieved thoughts....

 

[Umbran]

Tsyr has a major point, in that bringing down the wrath of the deity (as opposed to the wrath of the church) will give you a major consistency problem. If the gods get personally invovled in the world, why the heck do they need clerics?

Let the church and the clergy be mad at him. Bestow a curse. Pass word of mouth that the characters don't respect deific authority and sanctity of the temple, so that no temple of any god is likely to help him. Have the clergy put pressure on the local civil authorities, and so on. To cheese off an established temple is dumb without the involvement of the deity in person.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Centaur, I hope you don't feel too put-upon by this thread, but rather consider the points brought up, and perhaps gain something from it.

I'm still curious as to the alignment of the God of Magic. If this is the central church on the continent, I find it difficult to imagine that church spellcasters aren't doing what they can to get to the bottom of the situation. i.e. why are they more concerned with the PCs, rather than the BBEG who violated the sanctity of their holiest site?

An interesting plot may develop from this. Perhaps the church in question is shifting toward an evil alignment. In which case, the PCs (and the sorcerer in particular) may become instrumental in the god's plans of reform.

 

[Kichwas]

Have the city guard hang him for attempted murder.

Or rather, murder that was undone, but that amounts to the same thing.

The other guy gets off because he has made amendments to the victim and the respected members of the community.

 

[Zogg]

Yea, don't feel like you are up against a wall. Be glad there are so many people taking an interest in your campaign idea!

I still have to ask why the PCs haven't explained to the clerics that the man they were helping was completely evil and they were attempting to do something good....in the heat of the moment they acted out of order and they apologize.

I also think it's crazy the clerics would go out of their way to raise a man they barely knew, even if they had some oath to protect him. I mean....that's a lot of money! Also, in the process of raising you should find out what kind of person you are raising (simple divination spell). Wouldn't the god have a problem granting a 'raise dead' to the church if they are about to raise a BBEG? I mean, there are lots of holes in this story I have yet to understand.