One of the group is buying the Book of Nine Swords. What should I expect?

[Storyteller01]

Heh. Who knows? That's the fun of crossing materials - you never know what crazy things will pop up.

My gut reaction to Bo9S is that it's a lot of fun. To some extent, if it's in the campaign, the fighter class won't be used anyway, for the warblade fills pretty much the same role. (The warblade, as Thanatos notes, is useless at ranged, however).

If you're playing a half-dragon monk, you may want to invest in the feats that give a couple of manuevers to yourself. Sure, you won't have anywhere near the options of the full Bo9S character, but there may be some nice options there for you.

Cheers!

Do you think the OA feats will help at all?

 

[MerricB]

Do you think the OA feats will help at all?

Can't comment. Don't have OA.

 

[BryonD]

Kishin,

My half arguments here combined with references to multiple full arguments I've already made and am under no obligation to repeat ad naseum every time somebdoy else comes along are vastly greater than your complete lack of any reasoned argument at all.

But, since you still refuse to offer anything of substance I'll thank you for your input and move on.

 

[BryonD]

(The warblade, as Thanatos notes, is useless at ranged, however).

A WarbladeX/Fighter1 will be superior character to a fighter and have all the ranged options covered. Yes, they will have fewer archery specific feats to work with and most of the warblade stuff does not play toward archery. But a human fighter1/warblade2 can already cover three archery feats and has the full BAB and has stances and manuevers, etc.... to fall back on.

 

[Kishin]

The warblade (or probably either of the other martial adepts) is going to utterly show up the Half-Dragon Monk and the Dragon Magazine Red Dragon at close combat fighting, so make sure to establish some other niche for your character to keep it interesting.

Definitely. But that's in part due to the general weakness of the Monk class, too. The only thing that's going to compete with a Warblade at close combat is a sufficiently tricked out Barbarian or Fighter.

The martial adepts are pretty weak with ranged stuff as they only get melee ranged skills and when building one to be effective for melee, isn't going to be more then a moderate ranged attacker.

Unless they take the Bloodstorm Blade PrC, which is basically the only way a martial adept can hope to shine at range.

I would second Rystil in saying that you can't really hope not to be overshadowed by a Warblade in melee combat if you're playing a Monk.

Kishin,

My half arguments here combined with references to multiple full arguments I've already made and am under no obligation to repeat ad naseum every time somebdoy else comes along are vastly greater than your complete lack of any reasoned argument at all.

But, since you still refuse to offer anything of substance I'll thank you for your input and move on.

I wasn't even asking you to repeat them. A hyperlink takes what, 10 seconds?
I could easily argue my reasoned argument are multiple full arguments on the CO board and the power of spellcaster builds there and then we could both be citing sources that we feel are implied without actually providing them.

But, since I've already reasoned that you're not one to be swayed even if you were to be presented with evidence, and you have no intention of providing anything more substantial to support your arguments, maybe we should call it a day, like you say.

 

[HeapThaumaturgist]

Have looked it over ...

I would, maybe, allow some of the feats into a game ... especially for the Fighter to take some feats to get maneuvers and stances, which might add some fun and shore up their weaknesses late-game.

The base classes, though, would never enter a game with the regular core classes. Totally different power level, IMHO, and one which I have no current interest in engaging in. So ... I passed on the book.

--fje

 

[BryonD]

But, since I've already reasoned that you're not one to be swayed even if you were to be presented with evidence,

That little bit of last jab BS is absurd.

You can search as easy as I can. My statements are here on the boards for you to find and refute.

Insults removed by Admin

 

[Thanatos]

A WarbladeX/Fighter1 will be superior character to a fighter and have all the ranged options covered. Yes, they will have fewer archery specific feats to work with and most of the warblade stuff does not play toward archery. But a human fighter1/warblade2 can already cover three archery feats and has the full BAB and has stances and manuevers, etc.... to fall back on.

I'd disagree a warbladex/fighter 1 will be a superior character at every level compared to a fighter. Also, having done that, they will ultimately cheat themselves out of a readied maneuver to pick up a couple of ranged feats which will still leave them inferior a charater with any real focus in ranged, plus it will be cutting into their total available feats where taking more martial adept or specializion feats would serve them better.

Unless they take the Bloodstorm Blade PrC, which is basically the only way a martial adept can hope to shine at range.

I would second Rystil in saying that you can't really hope not to be overshadowed by a Warblade in melee combat if you're playing a Monk.

Yes, but the PrC hurts their IL ultimately, giving only 1/2 advancement per level. It's a neat class, but giving up 9th level maneuvers? feh.

Once you start adding in non-standard classes and non-standard feats, you can really build some monsters. But yes, the core class with standard feats, yeah the monk class is underpowered in and of itself. Even the monster monks I've seen on the optimzation boards aren't super huge damage dealers, but they can effectiely keep most oppoents from ever attacking or casting spells while still doing moderate damage.

 

[Ranger REG]

Pretty much what the title says. Is there anything grotesquely wrong, or does the book have good content?

Only if you like anime (primary) and wuxia (secondary).

Think The Musketeer. I know, I know, you European descendents want to defend that Western martial arts are as flashy as Eastern. Fine.

*chuckles*

 

[Piratecat]

As a hint, if you put someone on your ignore list, you break a lot fewer rules if you do it quietly and without a flame.

Kishin, Bryon - stop arguing. Now. You both know the rules, and you both know that insulting each other and devolving into personal nastiness is not the way things are handled here.

If these rules are a problem for anyone, email me, but I expect you abide by them even - heck, especially - when you profoundly disagree with someone.