D&D General One thing I hate about the Sorcerer

[FrozenNorth]

Procreation can also be an act of egotism.

Not procreation with lesser beings. And dragons consider humanoids lesser beings.

 

[FrozenNorth]

To which I say, phooey. If they want to retcon stuff, they can, but until I see it, I say it's official. If the Forgotten Realms isn't the same place I've been playing in for the past 30 ish years then what's my investment in the setting?

If we are talking about FR, than FR lore presumably applies unless retconned. But generally speaking, FR lore, particularly from previous editions, has very little impact on the rules in the PHB, which is setting-agnostic.

 

[Gammadoodler]

So is yours.

Certainly.

My interpretation simply benefits from being directly supported by the words in the book.

I haven't placed hoops in front of myself to jump through to explain how a class set apart from mundane warriors can still yield mundane warriors.

I can just go "Yeah, they aren't meant to be mundane warriors"

 

[Gammadoodler]

Not procreation with lesser beings. And dragons consider humanoids lesser beings.

From a certain perspective, it's still more of yourself that you are creating. And, without getting into the particulars, dragons may also enjoy the process of procreation.

Zeus did this kind of thing all the time.

 

[Gammadoodler]

If that's the case, why do they provide narrative justifications for all the other classes? Why keep silent on fighter and rogue?

Because it's fun and people like it. Do you really think any of the narrative justifications included in the book were written to serve as guidance for adjudication?

 

[Gammadoodler]

because the narrative justification for fighter and rogue is skill, honed and refined to an extent the other classes haven't, the other classes rely on alternative power sources to achieve their abilities which is why it's specifically called out on them, as they're accessing something that the masses don't usually have, but everyone has the ability to train their capabilities.

I'd agree that this can be the narrative justification, and it's the one I prefer, but I'm open to others.

I'd also note that this narrative justification leaves room for supernatural ability, just filtered through a lens of supernatural level of personal skill rather than a supernatural external power source.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

So wait, are we saying that if a new edition comes out, all the old lore from previous editions is no longer relevant and should be considered thrown out? I spent a lot of time reading those books and learning about the history of the game's settings. It's all a part of D&D in my opinion.

More or less. It retains the same basic elements, but they get reinterpreted. It's like how Batman comics, Burton's Batman, Nolan's Batman etc have the same characters and the same basic setup, but are not continuation of each other.

 

[Remathilis]

I'd agree that this can be the narrative justification, and it's the one I prefer, but I'm open to others.

I'd also note that this narrative justification leaves room for supernatural ability, just filtered through a lens of supernatural level of personal skill rather than a supernatural external power source.

That works fine as long as fighters still remain in the realm of plausible. It fails when they start to fly.

 

[CreamCloud0]

That works fine as long as fighters still remain in the realm of plausible. It fails when they start to fly.

We’re not asking them to fly, flight isn’t part of the base fighter concept, we’re asking them to Jump Good.

 

[Gammadoodler]

That works fine as long as fighters still remain in the realm of plausible. It fails when they start to fly.

I find the realm of the plausible to be exceedingly broad within a fantasy setting.

I don't have much of a cutoff point as long as the abilities are roughly balanced in terms of scope, relevance, and potence with what other PC classes are doing.