D&D General One thing I hate about the Sorcerer

[Crimson Longinus]

With being a sorcerer.

Just no. If you're given power by a demon or a fey, you're a warlock. If you make a pact for power, you're a warlock. If you're given power by a god, you're a cleric.

 

[Minigiant]

Just no. If you're given power by a demon or a fey, you're a warlock. If you make a pact for power, you're a warlock. If you're given power by a god, you're a cleric.

Again
Sorcerers and Warlocks are both beings infused with magic.

But Warlocks have Pact Magic. And you only get Pact Magic by making a pact.

If a demon or fey dumps magic in you but doesn't make or allow a pact beforehand, any magical powers you get is traditional long rest spellcasting magic.

Pact Magic and Traditional Spellcasting are different magics.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Just no. If you're given power by a demon or a fey, you're a warlock. If you make a pact for power, you're a warlock. If you're given power by a god, you're a cleric.

And that's why warlock and cleric are the same class with different mechanics.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Again
Sorcerers and Warlocks are both beings infused with magic.

Yes. Thus they're the same thing and should be combined.

But Warlocks have Pact Magic. And you only get Pact Magic by making a pact.

If a demon or fey dumps magic in you but doesn't make or allow a pact beforehand, any magical powers you get is traditional long rest spellcasting magic.

Pact Magic and Traditional Spellcasting are different magics.

This is just "they're different because they're different," but not how they're different. It is meaningless and circular.

Also, we already learned that draconic sorcerers can gain their powers via a pact, thus they should have pact magic, no?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

And that's why warlock and cleric are the same class with different mechanics.

Yes, which is weird.

 

[James Gasik]

I think the main reason the Cleric doesn't have Pact Magic has more to do with legacy than anything else. Making a pact with a deity and drawing upon that power for miracles is a belief that exists in our world, and channel divinity is a similar ability.

 

[Minigiant]

I think the main reason the Cleric doesn't have Pact Magic has more to do with legacy than anything else. Making a pact with a deity and drawing upon that power for miracles is a belief that exists in our world, and channel divinity is a similar ability.

Deities can revoke Cleric Powers.
Deities can't revoke Warlock Pacts unless you are the God of Magic or Pacts or Something related.

D&D is kinda based on Clerics being beholden to the whims and will of their gods out of fear of losing power.

Technically gods can make warlocks.
For some reason they rarely ever do.

 

[James Gasik]

Deities can revoke Cleric Powers.
Deities can't revoke Warlock Pacts unless you are the God of Magic or Pacts or Something related.

Can they? In 4e they couldn't, and I don't recall seeing a single line of text in 5e talking about ex-Clerics.

EDIT: sorry, I quoted the whole post and not just the part I was replying to.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Again
Sorcerers and Warlocks are both beings infused with magic.

But Warlocks have Pact Magic. And you only get Pact Magic by making a pact.

If a demon or fey dumps magic in you but doesn't make or allow a pact beforehand, any magical powers you get is traditional long rest spellcasting magic.

Pact Magic and Traditional Spellcasting are different magics.

yeah, sorcerers are like when the magical creature just wires you straight into the national power grid.

warlocks are like when the magical creature is your contracted energy provider but you have to call them up every time you need your electricity turned on for an hour

 

[Minigiant]

Yes. Thus they're the same thing and should be combined.


This is just "they're different because they're different," but not how they're different. It is meaningless and circular.

Also, we already learned that draconic sorcerers can gain their powers via a pact, thus they should have pact magic, no?

They are different to give different mechanical play styles to players.

D&D's entire magic system and multiple castersis designed to give people different mechanical play styles. Combining the two classes is just removing playstyles that people love.