D&D General One thing I hate about the Sorcerer

[Yaarel]

My solution was to get rid of sorcerer and give its fluff and some of its mechanics to the warlock, thus merging the two classes.

The most popular Sorcerer subclass is Draconic. The Warlock can easily make a Dragon Pact, or descend from an ancestor who made a Dragon Pact.

The second popular Sorcerer subclass is Divine. There is already a Celestial Pact.

 

[MoonSong]

Not at all. In our house-rule the "sorcerer" is alive and well as a subclass of wizard. It works perfectly fine.

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That's literally killing the sorcerer and giving its toys to the wizard.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Harry Potter "wizards" don't have spell slots or have to memorize spells. As we see from the first chapter of the first book, they can cast spells without any formal training. Schooling is there to socialize them into wizard society ("it's not nice to use a killing curse on your rude neighbor") and extend their knowledge.

If they're a D&D class at all, they're sorcerers.

 

[Minigiant]

Harry Potter "wizards" don't have spell slots or have to memorize spells. As we see from the first chapter of the first book, they can cast spells without any formal training. Schooling is there to socialize them with wizard society ("it's nice to use a killing curse on your rude neighbor") and extend their knowledge.

If they're a D&D class at all, they're sorcerers.

Potterverse wizards are sorcerers who can roll Dex checks to cast a spell with a wand to without spending a slot.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Potterverse wizards are sorcerers who can roll Dex checks to cast a spell with a wand to without spending a slot.

Ooh. I didn't think about the wand. I think you're right.

 

[cbwjm]

Harry Potter "wizards" don't have spell slots or have to memorize spells. As we see from the first chapter of the first book, they can cast spells without any formal training. Schooling is there to socialize them into wizard society ("it's not nice to use a killing curse on your rude neighbor") and extend their knowledge.

If they're a D&D class at all, they're sorcerers.

I think they're wizards, but they have this uncontrolled spark of magic that requires study to focus the power. They don't seem to be able to cast just anything without the wizardly training so if I was going to adapt Harry Potter, he'd be full wizard. I think I mentioned it earlier though, literary characters don't always translate well into gaming systems (even when those characters are set in a DnD setting).

 

[CleverNickName]

My solution was to get rid of sorcerer and give its fluff and some of its mechanics to the warlock, thus merging the two classes.

This works too.

 

[Stormonu]

Ugh. The last thing wizards need is more resource management. If wizards were put under sorcerers, sorcery points should be something that subclass doesn't get.

Or, alternately, put sorcerers, wizards and warlocks as subclasses under a "mage" umbrella, similar to what the first One D&D UA did. But to get all of the variety of existing subclasses, you'd need to create a third tier of specializations, like I gather Shadow of the Demon Lord does. But that's major surgery and something to save for sixth edition or a 5E fantasy heartbreaker at someone's home table using the SRD.

If you did the mage thing, you could do something akin to the warlock's patron/pact. Something like Source/Method. Warlocks would be Patron/Pact. Sorcerers would be Bloodline/Manifestation. Wizards would be Schooling/Specialty. Might be able to throw Artificer in there too, with Artifice/Craft.

As for Potter wizards, as I recall in the books very few can use magic without a wand. Once disarmed, most are helpless. Harry (and Voldemort) were unusual in that they could still do some magic without having their wand.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Oh look, the wizard trying to steal the sorcerer's toys. Looks like it's Always O'clock again.

 

[Horwath]

Dragon Age - Wizards and Clerics are the same thing.

yeah,
despite some mechanical issues, I really like Dragon Age RPG and its 3 class system.

You have "in your face guy" as warrior,
a sneaky, subtle one as rogue
and all around spellcaster as a mage.

then you just pick your subclass, err, specialization(s) to flavor your vision of your character.