Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[Hussar]

Look, let's see if this will clear up how I understand Greyhawk and what differentiates GH from pretty much every other setting.

Greyhawk is the Keep on the Borderlands setting of D&D. It's not Forgotten Realms where you have a constantly changing setting that is described in glorious, excruciating detail, where it is possible for a player to actually know the setting better than the DM. No, Greyhawk expects you to fill in those details just like Keep on the Borderlands did. You are expected to provide the names, the other NPC's, and all the other bits and bobs of the setting. All Greyhawk does is give you a very, very bare bones framework, with some really interesting details (what exactly did happen at Emridy Meadows? Don't know? Make it up!) and leaves it up to the DM to then breathe life into the setting.

Do you want a Greyhawk where everyone is a closet Scarlet Brother, xenophobically hating other races? FANTASTIC. Do that. Do you want a Greyhawk where gunpowder is made from dragon poop? GREAT! Do that. So on and so forth.

Greyhawk is the differentiated from other settings by being very much an ur-setting. My Greyhawk, your Greyhawk and someone else's Greyhawk should probably look very, very little alike. And that's ok. That's expected. That's the way it's always been. How did we play Greyhawk before the folio and the boxed set? We had the modules. That's where Greyhawk always lived first. We had those tantalizing details in the DMG- who was Lum or Dalver-Nar? Mordenkainen or Leomund?

 

[Urriak Uruk]

They retconned in Dragonborn nation's in 4E FR. It was terrible.

They did. And as we know, this ruined FR beyond salvaging, and the setting was never used by Wizard's again.

 

[Zardnaar]

They did. And as we know, this ruined FR beyond salvaging, and the setting was never used by Wizard's again.

Well they retconned their nation's out.

Since 1E and 3.0 realms are better than 4E and 5E (general opinion) adding Dragonborn didn't improve the setting.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Well they retconned their nation's out.

Since 1E and 3.0 realms are better than 4E and 5E (general opinion) adding Dragonborn didn't improve the setting.

This "general opinion" can't exactly be proven. Especially since 5E Forgotten Realms, simply because way more people play 5E instead of anything else, is more popular that previous editions versions of FR.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but your opinion is entirely subjective and impossible to prove one way or another.

 

[Zardnaar]

This "general opinion" can't exactly be proven. Especially since 5E Forgotten Realms, simply because way more people play 5E instead of anything else, is more popular that previous editions versions of FR.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but your opinion is entirely subjective and impossible to prove one way or another.

I would be willing to bet 1,E or 3E would win best FR poll. 4E us hated and 5E us to sparse.

2Es just kinda there.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

I would be willing to bet 1,E or 3E would win best FR poll. 4E us hated and 5E us to sparse.

2Es just kinda there.

Maybe it would win here, filled with people who started in 1E or 3E. But a general audience of D&D players? 5E would smash aside the other editions, no question.

Now I'll admit it wouldn't be a fair comparison because most people who have played in FR have only played in 5E. But that just leads back to how you can't "objectively" prove that one edition's version of FR is better than another.

 

[Zardnaar]

Maybe it would win here, filled with people who started in 1E or 3E. But a general audience of D&D players? 5E would smash aside the other editions, no question.

Now I'll admit it wouldn't be a fair comparison because most people who have played in FR have only played in 5E. But that just leads back to how you can't "objectively" prove that one edition's version of FR is better than another.

New players won't know any better. They already have a heap of options to pick from. FR, Eberron, new CR thing.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

New players won't know any better. They already have a heap of options to pick from. FR, Eberron, new CR thing.

I can counter that old players don't know better, with their previous "experience" being tainted by nostalgia making them inherently biased.

Again, this is not something you can objectively prove on way or another.

 

[Zardnaar]

I can counter that old players don't know better, with their previous "experience" being tainted by nostalgia making them inherently biased.

Again, this is not something you can objectively prove on way or another.

A lot of old players are familiar with new stuff lol.

It's not a requirement for me I like variety. I'm completely fine with anything goes as long as the setting or campaign is built for it.

I prefer phb plus a few races special to that setting though. Even if you're using WotC material.

How many races are in the official game now?

 

[generic]

A lot of old players are familiar with new stuff lol.

It's not a requirement for me I like variety. I'm completely fine with anything goes as long as the setting or campaign is built for it.

I prefer phb plus a few races special to that setting though. Even if you're using WotC material.

How many races are in the official game now?

How is this a coherent post in the context of the discussion, though?

There are over 30 official races in the game, iirc. More if you count the Plane Shift articles.