OOC Against the Crimson Tide (Closed)

[Paxus Asclepius]

How aggravating. Did they say why?

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

How aggravating. Did they say why?

They turned of the nonfictions without real warning to try and speed up the boards, in my opinion it hasn't helped, but when they turned off the notifications service it also took out another of other services as well...

I try and track down a few links but I've since lost the subscriptions to the thread...

My opinion is expressed more there.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I try and track down a few links but I've since lost the subscriptions to the thread...

Wow meta hardly moves anymore... link

 

[Ghostknight]

Hmm, the void incarnate looks interesting so the question goes to the DM, is this in or out? (It is outside the core rules so in or out?)

 

[silentspace]

Well, he just disallowed the 3.5 Incantatrix. It took me so long to type that up for him too!

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

I will allow the void incarnate; it's powerful, but given the loss of sneak attack progression (and thus the reduction of ability to bypass uncanny dodge), I'm inclined to say not overpowerful.

Silentspace, while I understand your aggravation, I'd just like to explain why, precisely, I felt the incantatrix overpowered. I assume that, at 25th level, you will have a +12 Int mod, (17 base, +5 from a Tome, +6 from an item, +6 from levels) and maximum ranks in Spellcraft. With the Incantatrix abilities, I'd also imagine that you'd be likely to pick up a +15 item of circumstance bonus to Spellcraft, and possibly to acquire Epic Skill Focus: Spellcraft. With those collectively, you would have a +65 modifier to your Spellcraft roll, and thus be able to, 15 times a day, apply metamagic modifiers to your ongoing spells and those of your fellow party member that would increase the spell to 16th level with no chance of failure, to 19th if not in combat and able to take 10. The idea of numerous Intensified, Empowered, Extended Elemental Swarms isn't something that seems balanced to me, nor a Persistent Shapechange or three. It may be that I have a more min-maxing mindset than you do, and if so I understand why the class didn't look overpowered to you, but 19th level metamagics are a frightening, frightening thing to a DM.

 

[silentspace]

Honestly, I didn't know you could do all that. You can have a +15 item of circumstance bonus to a skill? Do you need to take an epic feat to do that? And I didn't know wizards could cast Elemental Swarm. And I don't know what an Intensified spell is. And Persistent Spell is +6 levels now.

Regarding your explanation, that's fine. The only reason I wanted to take a prestige class at all was for flavor reasons, over playing a straightforward wizard. If you feel the Incantatrix is overpowered, that's fine. Personally, I don't, as we are playing a 25th level game, and rods of metamagic are really cheap.

Regarding my 'aggravation', all I said was that it took me a long time to type up. First I emailed scanned files to you, but you told me to type it up so I did. If that comment bothers you, then I don't know what I can do for you. Are you the one who sent me that email? If so, then I can only assume that either you don't like arcanists, or you don't like me. Neither of which bodes well for me in this game. I don't know why either of these would be the case, but that e-mail was kind of nasty.

I will allow the void incarnate; it's powerful, but given the loss of sneak attack progression (and thus the reduction of ability to bypass uncanny dodge), I'm inclined to say not overpowerful.

Silentspace, while I understand your aggravation, I'd just like to explain why, precisely, I felt the incantatrix overpowered. I assume that, at 25th level, you will have a +12 Int mod, (17 base, +5 from a Tome, +6 from an item, +6 from levels) and maximum ranks in Spellcraft. With the Incantatrix abilities, I'd also imagine that you'd be likely to pick up a +15 item of circumstance bonus to Spellcraft, and possibly to acquire Epic Skill Focus: Spellcraft. With those collectively, you would have a +65 modifier to your Spellcraft roll, and thus be able to, 15 times a day, apply metamagic modifiers to your ongoing spells and those of your fellow party member that would increase the spell to 16th level with no chance of failure, to 19th if not in combat and able to take 10. The idea of numerous Intensified, Empowered, Extended Elemental Swarms isn't something that seems balanced to me, nor a Persistent Shapechange or three. It may be that I have a more min-maxing mindset than you do, and if so I understand why the class didn't look overpowered to you, but 19th level metamagics are a frightening, frightening thing to a DM.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Are you the one who sent me that email? If so, then I can only assume that either you don't like arcanists, or you don't like me.

No it was me, it was also the secound time I had emailed you so I didn't identfy myself as well as I probaly shoud have. I thought I had posted in here saying to be on the lookout for my email but it seems like it was lost... I probaly forgot why I had that window open.

Neither of which bodes well for me in this game. I don't know why either of these would be the case, but that e-mail was kind of nasty.

Neither of that is true, I said I would be more than wiling to type up any PrC for in the future... That didn't strike me as being rude but I will apologize for my bluntness, so sorry.

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

The only reason I had you type it up was because my email refused to open the attachment you first sent; I've typed up a couple PrCs myself, and it's not a task I'd give to anyone if I had another alternative. I assure you, I have nothing against arcanists or you. You're right that metamagic rods are extremely powerful, but I think that says more about the power of metamagic rods than it does for the balance of the Incantatrix. Would anyone be heartbroken if I removed rods of metamagic from the game?

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

Goddess, a couple changes I'm making to the Weaponmaster PrC for 3.5; A) the Superior Weapon Focus become a bonus Greater Weapon Focus feat (and so can be used as prereq for Epic Weapon Focus), and the Ki Critical ability increases the crit multiplier by the same amount that Improved Critical does (so if you have both with the scythe, threat range is 18-20, not 17-20).