OOC - [Epic] Scions of the Endless Falls - Full

[Ferrix]

I have Song and Silence, just been a while since i cracked it open.

Yeah bards have really good spells, just most players don't end up sticking them out all the way to really high levels.

 

[Kelleris]

Yeah. Fortunately or unfortunately, though, I have a predilection for the magic-using rogue, and I've generally used the Bard class for that. They can be pretty powerful if you're careful. I was a bit squeamish with Arion, though, at least this time around. I've decided to go against the grain and try being at the low end of party power levels. Couldn't pass up the chance to take improvisation, though. I will be using it with abandon!

 

[Wrahn]

Okay, how about this, you are hiding in plain sight through an empty room, nothing inside of it other than the think shadow of a thin rope. Unbeknownst to you, in the middle of the room there is an antimagic area you have stepped into. Are you visible or not? (ignoring the fact that there is no one but you in the room).

If Hide in Plain Sight is not responsible for hiding you then you aren't. If it is then you are.

I say you are and thus True Seeing can see through it.

True Seeing being able to see through it isn't crippling, it is just something you need to be careful of.

 

[Kelleris]

Yes, I am, because I no longer meet the conditions to Hide in that room (well, assuming it's well-lit). But I haven't lost concealment or invisibility or any of the other things true seeing deals with. They're different cases entirely - all Hide in Plain Sight does is extend the conditions under which you can hide: you can hide with only a bit in the way of nearby shadows, and you can hide when being observed. It does nothing at all to actually conceal you. In fact, Hide in Plain Sight is always "on", whether you are actually hiding or not; it isn't something I specifically elect to use. Even aside from that, it lets you hide even while being observed; it doesn't magically grant you pseudo-concealment. It represents supernatural skill at hiding, not anything that true seeing counters.

 

[Kangaxx]

This is getting excessive. You've both made your points, now lay off and wait for Isida to say what's what. I'm amazed you're still going on like this after being warned that more rules bickering could get people kicked out of the campaign.

 

[Wrahn]

The first line of the description says it all, it shows things how they really are. How things really are is you standing undisguised in the middle of the room. Barring magic nothing is hiding you. Your magical extension of where you can hide is negated by True Seeing, because True Seeing sees through magical concealment.

You can not hide without concealment, therefore True Seeing sees through Hide in Plain Sight.

We seem to be going around in a circle in this. I find it difficult to see your point. (You can't hide in the middle of an empty room barring magical means, falling under the realm of Magical Concealment, meaning True Seeing sees through it.)

Tell you what, I will post the question in the rules section and see what others have to say.

 

[Wrahn]

This is getting excessive. You've both made your points, now lay off and wait for Isida to say what's what. I'm amazed you're still going on like this after being warned that more rules bickering could get people kicked out of the campaign.

Not kicked out of the campaign, disallowing non-standard items, which strangely I am not that big of opponent of.

Not trying to frustrate Isida (ignore us Isida *waves hands, this isn't the thread you are looking for.*) I just honestly don't see the other side of the argument.

 

[Kelleris]

You know, I have got to figure out a way to abuse a +135 Bluff check.* Any ideas? A friend suggested that I tell someone they have X class ability, thereby granting them said class ability because they are so fundamentally unable to not believe me.

*50 base + 55 improvisation + 30 glibness

EDIT: Link me to the thread you start. It isn't terribly fair to present a case that you profess not to understand.

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

Ok, DM's ruling on telepathy, blindsight, blindsense, Hide in Plain Sight, and true seeing.

Telepathy does not give you direction of the "speaker."

You may take a -60 to hide from blindsight, and -80 to hide from blindsense.

Hide in Plain Sight is a borderline case from "simply hiding" to being magically hidden. I come down on the side of Hide in Plain Sight. True seeing does not see through it.

 

[Kelleris]

Hrm, a wash between pro and con. Although I assume you mean -60 blindsense, since it's the weaker ability. Well, things with those abilities tend to neglect their spotting anyway.

Thanks for the rulings! Hopefully we can get all this laid down pretty quick. I'll see if there's anything else I'd like to know, so I can figure out my SOP for most things.

Well, two things. First, can I draw a weapon as a free action with a DC 70 slight of hand check? (That's the DC to steal someone else's weapon as a free action.)

What's the penalty to make a Bluff check "through" Akumunaga's telepathy? We're pretty closely linked, and they'll be Arion's words in any case.