OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[AIM-54]

Yeah, I noticed. Maybe if you and Mik are both coming over to watch election results, tonight, we can hammer it out, then?

Works for me.

 

[Archon]

"whateva, you do what you want!! it's yo beautiful boty!"

i'm not going to waste anymore space on the thread with my gripes about my character. I'm not a very good debater and i just wanted to let you guys know what was bugging instead of clamming up and brooding about it.
Anyway, as far as the Succession Scenarios i only have a couple words..
1. Jaine won't marry AA.
2. I know it conflicts with earlier statements but after some thought i've decided that a marriage to AB is a bad idea. yes, let's ally ourselves even closer to darkness, sign me up.
3. Any other choice short of Jaine marrying either Archon will weaken the strength of our claim. so unless we want to say, "screw it, let's enstate a rebellion", she needs to marry one of us and i'm uncomfortable with The Prince of the Deathlands being so close to rulership of our cause. Plus unless we can break his oath what is to stop the Bluestar from pulling our strings or worse.
anyway, my two cents. peice.

 

[Xath]

This was more a question about *where* to find information about healing than if I spell actually exists. Looking for a place to research or a person to consult...

... I guess we could ask Big Blue... I bet his knowledge arcana is ridiculous.

Just FYI, for those of you who don't know/remember, Xath has more knowledges available to her than just Bardic. She's got max ranks in Knowledge Arcana and Knowledge History, with a few ranks in Knowledge Nobility & Royalty. Impulsive, she may be. Stupid she is not.

So, for any of you who want to "ask Xath a question" (actually asking Kennon because I don't know what Xath knows), the modifiers are:

Knowledge Arcana = +22
Knowledge History = +22
Knowledge Nobility & Royalty = +9
Bardic Knowledge = +21

 

[The_Universe]

Works for me.

Mik?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Just FYI, for those of you who don't know/remember, Xath has more knowledges available to her than just Bardic. She's got max ranks in Knowledge Arcana and Knowledge History, with a few ranks in Knowledge Nobility & Royalty. Impulsive, she may be. Stupid she is not.

So, for any of you who want to "ask Xath a question" (actually asking Kennon because I don't know what Xath knows), the modifiers are:

Knowledge Arcana = +22
Knowledge History = +22
Knowledge Nobility & Royalty = +9
Bardic Knowledge = +21

I'm well aware of Xath's knowledges... just figured for the info I was trying to hunt, Bardic would be the best option.

 

[Archon]

re:

Mik?

works for me as well. as soon as i can i'm gettin't the hell outta dodge.

 

[The_Universe]

i'm not going to waste anymore space on the thread with my gripes about my character. I'm not a very good debater and i just wanted to let you guys know what was bugging instead of clamming up and brooding about it.

In case it's not apparent above, I (for one) am appreciative of the heads up at least. I'm not necessarily trying to debate you, but my request for information on how to get Archon out of the "jerk" rut was sincere. PLEASE help me - as I said, I've offered several olive branches, and have had all of them thrown back at me, twisted and broken. Tell me what needs to be done, and I'll see what I can do. This is as good a forum for it as any.

Anyway, as far as the Succession Scenarios i only have a couple words..
1. Jaine won't marry AA.

Not in the current situation, no. When Archon presented it to her, he did nothing to make it seem attractive to her, and when she turned away from the idea, he became threatening. A lot of stuff would have to happen IC to make this a possibility, most of which would require Archon to use a "social" skill other than intimidate. Also, he'd have to work something out that makes sense with his current beau, to whom he has semi-publicly proclaimed his love.

2. I know it conflicts with earlier statements but after some thought i've decided that a marriage to AB is a bad idea. yes, let's ally ourselves even closer to darkness, sign me up.

I'm not saying you've got to jump for joy with the possibility of an alliance with the Bluestar, but you can and should recognize that the two evils are not emanating from the same source, and are of disparate goals and means. Furthermore, you should be able to distinguish a lesser evil from a greater one. Lastly, you *still* don't know what the Bluestar's interest in all of this is, since no one will investigate. It's probably got a nefarious angle, at least, but you're just grasping in the dark, willfully remaining ignorant in case you find out things aren't as bad as you think they may be. :/

3. Any other choice short of Jaine marrying either Archon will weaken the strength of our claim. so unless we want to say, "screw it, let's enstate a rebellion", she needs to marry one of us and i'm uncomfortable with The Prince of the Deathlands being so close to rulership of our cause. Plus unless we can break his oath what is to stop the Bluestar from pulling our strings or worse.

Just because the other options present a weaker claim, doesn't mean you need to abandon trying to make one. Weaker and nonexistent are not the same thing. Furthermore, you've already said, "screw it, let's have a rebellion" because the current framework is dominated by a tainted King. The only way to pursue your claim in a non-rebellious manner would be to just wait for Tain to die, and hope that Jaine's still alive to press her claim, then.

In addition, since you don't know what the terms of AB's oath are, you really can't know how his proximity to the throne will affect you. I could accept a lot of this if you had made an attempt to learn about the oath...but no one has. That's not just Archon's fault, and I don't want to make it sound liek it is. Regardless of whether he marries Jaine, you hope to use his troops at the Isle of Mourning, right? You're going to HAVE to try to learn what the bounds of his oath are...and now is as good a time as any.

 

[The_Universe]

works for me as well. as soon as i can i'm gettin't the hell outta dodge.

Cool - just as a heads up, Liz is at the apt. if you need/want to head over that way.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Lastly, you *still* don't know what the Bluestar's interest in all of this is, since no one will investigate. It's probably got a nefarious angle, at least, but you're just grasping in the dark, willfully remaining ignorant in case you find out things aren't as bad as you think they may be. :/

Hey, I resent that comment.

First, talking with the Bluestar has been on Justice's list of "Things we need to do" since AB entered the picture... I have spent quite a bit of time trying to convince Mik/Archonus that it is a good idea... You know, Kennon, you were there.

There is at least one person willing to investigate... but, she can't do it alone. So, don't make it sound like all of us are overlooking a huge opportunity to get a bunch of unknown information when.

Second, there really isn't a good time to do the. I wanted to do it when we were having our dead time. But, you pushed us forward in the game and so, now, we can't go back and do stuff like this during "dead time"... and now, we're a little to occupied to do anything outside of the planning for Caer Albion. Though it would be nice to stop for tea and a chat with ol' Blue Eye while we're gathering mercs, I don't know that we have time.

 

[The_Universe]

Not really to Liz, in particular...

Hey, I resent that comment.

First, talking with the Bluestar has been on Justice's list of "Things we need to do" since AB entered the picture... I have spent quite a bit of time trying to convince Mik/Archonus that it is a good idea... You know, Kennon, you were there.

I know it's been talked about, but no one has made mention of it in a group-wide forum. It's not a criticism for any one person.

There is at least one person willing to investigate... but, she can't do it alone. So, don't make it sound like all of us are overlooking a huge opportunity to get a bunch of unknown information when.

I won't argue that you've been trying to get people motivated, but I thought I'd mention here, where everyone can read it, that for all any one person's efforts, nothing has happened. You can talk to AB, you can talk to Cawys, you can even talk to Ol' Blue himself. You can commune, you can scry, you can do whatever you want...but it has not happened.

Second, there really isn't a good time to do the. I wanted to do it when we were having our dead time. But, you pushed us forward in the game and so, now, we can't go back and do stuff like this during "dead time"... and now, we're a little to occupied to do anything outside of the planning for Caer Albion.

It's up to you if you're too occupied. I think it's worth looking into, no matter what else is going on. And I didn't mandate you move forward, I just encouraged it. I'm sorry I did, as it's apparently a huge sore spot. But after having been criticized about goign back and forth during the last "break" I thought I'd make sure that things were more consistent, this time. Time moves only forward, and I want the timeline to go. Is that so wrong? If you want to do this in the past, fine. But you can't base ANY questions on information you didn't have until after things happened. During the last session I *repeatedly* asked if there were things you wanted done on the days in question. Nobody said anything. So nothing was done. The timeline moves forward, and you're really not at any disadvantage. You never have time, you make time. If it's important now, make time.

Though it would be nice to stop for tea and a chat with ol' Blue Eye while we're gathering mercs, I don't know that we have time.

Why don't you check with any of the numerous other sources of information, first? "Asking" the Bluestar is NOT easy, and would be an adventure in and of itself. Stopping for tea isn't going to cut it. It's a good idea to talk to him, but you need to set up that meeting, something that was apparently not important enough to do the first time we went through this set of days. I honestly do not understand why I'm being unfair to hold you to the original series of events.

But if you want to go back, fine. Just remember that I am holding people to the rules of sequence.