OotS 406

[Grog]

Sure it is. Evil humans, elves and dwarves attack civilizations as well. Why do the laws of the land apply only to "people" and not "humanoids"?

If a group of evil humans, elves, and dwarves was attacking a civilization, a paladin would be perfectly justified in killing them, as well. I never said that wouldn't be the case.

 

[Grog]

Paladins don't read the Monster Manual.

Oh, good lord. Of course paladins don't read the Monster Manual. Paladins know how goblins act in the world in which they live, which is what the Monster Manual tells us. If a particular DM is running a different kind of world, then paladins in it will have to behave differently. But in a standard D&D campaign world, goblins act as described in the Monster Manual, and thus paladins are justified in killing them to protect and/or rescue their victims.

 

[Storm Raven]

Okay, the next strip is up, I believe it answers whether or not she falls ...

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0407.html

CLANG!

 

[Darklone]

CLANG!

Cool. Not as cool as Thors last intervention, but close!

 

[Jim Hague]

Oh, good lord. Of course paladins don't read the Monster Manual. Paladins know how goblins act in the world in which they live, which is what the Monster Manual tells us. If a particular DM is running a different kind of world, then paladins in it will have to behave differently. But in a standard D&D campaign world, goblins act as described in the Monster Manual, and thus paladins are justified in killing them to protect and/or rescue their victims.

And what is the 'standard' D&D world, pray tell? Because I'm seeing things like 'usually' in the alignment in my MM. For that matter, how does a Paladin without with appropriate Knowledge skill know these things? You're on entirely unsupported ground here, Grog - until you can find us all the core rule that lays out exactly how it is that PCs know the behaviors of creatures in the MM.

In any case, your argument is moot. As others have said:

CLANG!

 

[orsal]

Where did it say that half-orcs could produce fertile offspring?

Hmm?

Hmmm, indeed. I went back to the PhB and discovered, to my surprise, that the text under "half-elf" explaining that there are second-generation half-elves is not matched by similar text under "half-orc".

So, you are correct. My point was not valid. However, Gez' point remains well-taken. D&D biology is sufficiently different from real-world biology to make the adaptation of the word "species" iffy. Since the standard D&D literature uses "races" to refer to the many sorts of humanoid, the other poster was quite correct to use that word.

 

[Grog]

And what is the 'standard' D&D world, pray tell? Because I'm seeing things like 'usually' in the alignment in my MM. For that matter, how does a Paladin without with appropriate Knowledge skill know these things? You're on entirely unsupported ground here, Grog - until you can find us all the core rule that lays out exactly how it is that PCs know the behaviors of creatures in the MM.

Um, because the behavior of common monsters is common knowledge?

Anywhere there are goblins, people are going to know about goblin raids. When you ride into a village after a goblin attack, you don't need a Knowledge skill to find out what happened from Bob the farmer.

Do you seriously make your players roll Knowledge checks to find out that goblins/orcs/etc. attack human settlements?

 

[orsal]

And what is the 'standard' D&D world, pray tell? Because I'm seeing things like 'usually' in the alignment in my MM.

And, we might add -- regardless of what the "standard" D&D situation is, it is known (to us at least) that in the OotS world, good goblins do exist, even if they're just teenagers with a rebellious streak.

 

[Hypersmurf]

In particular, beware good goblins

Although it's nowhere near as easy to use Misdirection to emulate an alignment as it is to emulate no alignment. Remember, you take on the aura of an object you select... and there are very few objects with alignments. A Holy weapon is an object that is good-aligned (unless it's intelligent, in which case it's a creature)... that's one of the few examples around.

So a Barghest who keeps a Holy dagger lying around his cave for emergencies might appear to be a Good Goblin, but it's not going to be a common circumstance...

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Yes. Yes, she does.

Evil creatures fear
Radiation from my brain.
Try a hands-free kit.

-Hyp.