OotS 406

Vanuslux · Jan 29, 2007

I don't think discussions about the fine print of right vs. wrong are ever pointless, regardless of what catalyzes them, especially when there are a lot of differing views involved.

Nightfall · Jan 29, 2007

Van,

They aren't pointless so much as they keep giving me headaches when they show up here.

Slife · Jan 29, 2007

orsal said:
OK, so replace "goblinoid" with "orc". The RAW establishes that they are of the same species as humans (see under "half-orc").

Where did it say that half-orcs could produce fertile offspring?

Hmm?

Nifft · Jan 29, 2007

Disorder blooms: "true"
Law births Chaos; quick judgment
spawns lengthy debate.

Fruit of solitude
fertilizes these threads; which
I'm sure Rich avoids.

-- N

Nonlethal Force · Jan 29, 2007

Nightfall said:
They aren't pointless so much as they keep giving me headaches when they show up here.

QFT.

Vanuslux said:
I don't think discussions about the fine print of right vs. wrong are ever pointless, regardless of what catalyzes them, especially when there are a lot of differing views involved.

And for what it is worth, I also agree that discussing right and wrong is always worth the effort. But in order to discuss right and wrong worthwhile we need to be able to shed D&D's illusion of simple morality. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we can do that without getting a legitimate warning from the mods. Questions like ... "Is it ever right to kill another human being" tend to get religious or political pretty fast. {And no, please don't take that as an invitation to discuss that topic. Mods, if stating that question crosses a boundary, I'll be happy to edit it out. I don't mean to cross a line.}

Vraille Darkfang · Jan 29, 2007

Nifft said:
In many games: yes. Evil races are evil for a reason... and that's the reason. So you can kill lots of them every session and never lose sleep. They exist to die at the end of a hero's sword.

Yes,

But Goblins are not an Evil Race.

They are a "Usually Neutral Evil" Race.

That means that "More than 50%" of Goblins are Evil.

That means a lot on Non-Evil Goblins are running around. Even if 85-90% are Evil of some sort, that would still leave tens of thousands (if not more) of non-evil goblins running around (based on how many of the vermin-like creatures are running around).

If it doesn't have an Always in the Alignment Block, there is no guarantee that a given Creature is Evil. Or Good. Or Lawful.

But, I don't think Miko will Fall. Here's why:

The Lawful Stupid Paladin Archtype has a lot of Fuel in the Tank. Miko's been offstage a lot. The Paladin as "Holier than Thou" and "I'm Always Right" "Smite now, Detect Later" has reams of material to keep Rich Busy.

Unless he really has a bunch of material related to BlackGuards, Fallen Paladins, or Maybe a guest Sabine-Miko "Peaceful Contact with an Evil Outsider" Drawn by Boris Vallejo & Julie Bell

(Not all clicks grandma friendly); I don't see why he'd rush the "Miko Goes Coo-Coo" Angle.

And I think that is waht it really boils down too:

Does Rich want to continue to use Miko as Paladin Material or as Blackguard Material?

Or maybe just "NPC who Advances Plot".

Andor · Jan 29, 2007

Slife said:
Where did it say that half-orcs could produce fertile offspring?

Hmm?

In Eberron they breed true. I don't recall if it's stated anywhere in baseline D&D, but they are WAY too common to be an infertile cross unless humans and orcs just really dig each others hormones.

Once you go Orc you
never go back. The same can
not be said of Gnomes.

Slife · Jan 29, 2007

Andor said:
In Eberron they breed true. I don't recall if it's stated anywhere in baseline D&D, but they are WAY too common to be an infertile cross unless humans and orcs just really dig each others hormones.

Or maybe orc barbarianss just aren't as... refined in their looting and plundering habits as the average PC party is. I will say no more, as this is a delicate issue, and I'm not sure where the line is.

Nifft · Jan 29, 2007

Slife said:
Or maybe orc barbarianss just aren't as... refined in their looting and plundering habits as the average PC party is. I will say no more, as this is a delicate issue, and I'm not sure where the line is.

"The unconscious are considered willing." -- Old Orc Proverb (and mage targeting advice)

Cheers, -- N

Lonely Tylenol · Jan 29, 2007

Paragon Kobold said:
Ther has been a lot of talk about Paladins in this tread. I think it is worth noting that Miko also is a Samurai (As a title not as a Class).

As I understand it cutting your boss in two when he didn't ask you to is pretty high up on the list of things samurai are not supposed to do.

Cha-ching! We have a winner. How many other codes and/or laws of the universe has Miko broken, I wonder?