OOTS 627 is up

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Hehe... Good one.

Now, I'm not saying it takes anything away from my enjoyment of the comic, but I think it's one where Rich has flubbed the rules again.

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IIRC Forcecage, like Wall of Force, is not affected by an Antimagic Field. That, and an ancient black dragon (that's assuming the imp called it correctly) couldn't cast Antimagic Field anyway. And one older than ancient would be so big that it could only cover itself with the field, but it wouldn't extend outside its space, as it's centered on the caster.

If the Dragon is too big, he doesn't fit in the Forcecage either.

But maybe V learned from Xykon, and it's a "moderately escapable forcecage". I mean, it's on the Wizards spell list since Xykon developed it, right? And Wizards get 2 free spells per level! Maybe the spells advantage was that it allowed larger dimensions, but its disadvantage is the "moderately escapability"

 

[Leatherhead]

Absolutely!

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While I certainly don't want V to die here, I hope s/he comes out of this knocked down a peg or two in regards to his/her arrogance and superiority towards magic.

If s/he had not left the others for being "stupid and a hindrance to his/her magic" then s/he would have some melee based back-up to help out.

Given the way Casters are poked fun of in the OotS world I totally expected

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V to just outright fail with a whimper on the island, being alone and insane till when everyone else comes looking for V.

But I suppose

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a dragon

is a bit more climatic.

Actually I would like to see

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V die at this point

, it would be something nobody expects at least.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Best Description of an Elf Ever:

Fragile Pointy Eared Monkey.

Well, who knows, maybe shim'll be just shy of dead and shim asks the imp for help by releasing it from its dimensional anchor and it takes shim to the devils who make shim a lich.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Actually I would like to see

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V die at this point

, it would be something nobody expects at least.

I'm expecting it. How else is shim going to

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say "the right 4 words to the right being at the right time for all the wrong reasons."

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[Allanon]

Hehe... Good one.

Now, I'm not saying it takes anything away from my enjoyment of the comic, but I think it's one where Rich has flubbed the rules again.

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IIRC Forcecage, like Wall of Force, is not affected by an Antimagic Field. That, and an ancient black dragon (that's assuming the imp called it correctly) couldn't cast Antimagic Field anyway. And one older than ancient would be so big that it could only cover itself with the field, but it wouldn't extend outside its space, as it's centered on the caster.

One could argue that the RAW were never very logical in these case anyhow.

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I mean a magical effect not being nullified by an anti-magical effect. What makes force effects different from all other magical effects? A wall of iron not being effected I can get into (seeing how it is conjured and all) but an arbitrary wall of 'force' somehow being magically sustained whilst all other magic fails always felt wrong somehow.

 

[Dausuul]

Hehe... Good one.

Now, I'm not saying it takes anything away from my enjoyment of the comic, but I think it's one where Rich has flubbed the rules again.

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IIRC Forcecage, like Wall of Force, is not affected by an Antimagic Field. That, and an ancient black dragon (that's assuming the imp called it correctly) couldn't cast Antimagic Field anyway. And one older than ancient would be so big that it could only cover itself with the field, but it wouldn't extend outside its space, as it's centered on the caster.

By a really strict reading of the rules, one could argue that antimagic field affects forcecage. Forcecage does not specifically say that it is unaffected by antimagic field, and it is not on the list of spells that antimagic field says it doesn't affect. The bars are described as "similar to" a wall of force, but "similar" is not "identical."

Yeah, it's extreme rules-lawyering, and it would have been simpler just to have the dragon dimension door out... but if V's player tried to complain, the DM would be perfectly entitled to respond with, "Oh yeah? Maybe you only hallucinated that you cast forcecage, because you haven't SLEPT FOR THE LAST MONTH. Did you want to talk about rules-lawyering?"

As for the dragon's spellcasting, it specifically says it's more interested in arcane magic than others of its kind. I read this as "took a level in sorceror," which would allow it to cast antimagic field just fine.

 

[Simm]

Ahh, dragons with character levels, how I love them. How my players hate them. Good comic, funny dialog, funny situation, move the plot along, not much more you could ask for.

 

[Leatherhead]

I'm expecting it. How else is shim going to

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say "the right 4 words to the right being at the right time for all the wrong reasons."

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Shim?

And

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doesn't the OotS afterlife exist outside of time? Or at least behave strangely with time?

 

[dmccoy1693]

Shim?

A less clunky word for s/he. It originates from "she" and "him" meaning that it is part both.

And

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doesn't the OotS afterlife exist outside of time? Or at least behave strangely with time?

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No, time flows normally, just that the creature does not preceive time flowing without the normal markers of life to note time's passage. Besides, if V becomes a lich, shim'll be undead, not dead.

 

[drothgery]

One could argue that the RAW were never very logical in these case anyhow.

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I mean a magical effect not being nullified by an anti-magical effect. What makes force effects different from all other magical effects? A wall of iron not being effected I can get into (seeing how it is conjured and all) but an arbitrary wall of 'force' somehow being magically sustained whilst all other magic fails always felt wrong somehow.

[sblock]Of course, logically, a dragon must be a magical creature to begin with; they couldn't possibly fly without magic, among other things. And therefore they shouldn't be able to survive in an anti-magic field, or at the very least they shouldn't be able to fly.[/sblock]