OSRIC: something for the old schoolers

Treebore said:
Really? That kind of sucks. How are you going to effectively market OSRIC if you can't even point out it is effectively 1E?

"Marketing" is the wrong term; OSRIC doesn't make money, and so strictly speaking it's got nothing to do with "markets". It's our gift to the community, and I'm delighted to see that it's been so well-received.

But I agree that OSRIC needs to reach the community if it's going to work.

There are only two people who are bound by the restriction not to indicate compatibility with anyone else's product: myself and my colleague Matt Finch. Nobody else is so bound.

And what OSRIC is speaks for itself. Our target audience will immediately recognise the ruleset.
 

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As I understand it, there have been over 500 unique IP downloads of OSRIC. So at least 498 people can say whatever they want about OSRIC's compatibility with 1e. Two people, myself and P&P, are foreclosed from such discussion.
 

Mythmere1 said:
As I understand it, there have been over 500 unique IP downloads of OSRIC. So at least 498 people can say whatever they want about OSRIC's compatibility with 1e. Two people, myself and P&P, are foreclosed from such discussion.


Cool, and I'm one of those. Very well done.
 

Treebore said:
You wouldn't need to claim to be compatible with C&C, just say your compatible with 1E rules and us C&C users are smart enough to figure out the rest. At least those of us who "understand the power" of C&C. :)

If you're publishing using the OGL, you can't claim to be compatible with AD&D either (the OGL precludes a publisher from indicating compatibility with WotC trademarks). If you are not publishing under the OGL you can probably indicate compatibility but aren't as free to make use of copyrighted material. The point is, OSRIC let's you get around all of that by indicating compatibility with OSRIC while still gaining the legal benefits of the OGL. In other words, "compatible with OSRIC" is the same thing as saying "compatible with AD&D" or "compatible with C&C" but without any of the legal issues with trademark and copyright.

In other, other words ( ;) ) if you have a C&C module you want to publish and sell for beer money, you might want to consider publishing it with OSRIC if the guys at TLG don't have the time or resources to publish it for you.
 

Expeditious Retreat Press will be supporting OSRIC. We're releasing an adventure called The Pod-Caverns of the Sinister Shroom by the end of this month. Depending on how much our printer wants to do us a favor (:)) we may even have print copies available at GenCon.

We also have a two adventure sequence planned, but I have to write them, so I shouldn't be posting here. :)


joe "back to work" b.
 


SWBaxter said:
Happened several times, from which it appears nobody's gotten the "done properly" part right.

I'd be interested in references.

The closest thing I know of is the Mayfair v. TSR suit, & in that Mayfair had permission from TSR to say their products were compatible with AD&D. It was about whether Mayfair had broken the agreement rather than about trademark (or copyright). & still, the court only found that Mayfair had unintentionally violated some of the agreement & the agreement & the product line continued.

But I wouldn't be surprised that there are cases I don't know about.

If you figure it's so trivial, I suggest you put up the bucks for an IP lawsuit.

You know, if I had the money & I wasn't married (my wife probably wouldn't look kindly on risking our money on an idealistic crusade), I'd probably do it. I do give what I can to the EFF.
 

RFisher said:
I'd be interested in references.

The closest thing I know of is the Mayfair v. TSR suit, & in that Mayfair had permission from TSR to say their products were compatible with AD&D. It was about whether Mayfair had broken the agreement rather than about trademark (or copyright). & still, the court only found that Mayfair had unintentionally violated some of the agreement & the agreement & the product line continued.

But I wouldn't be surprised that there are cases I don't know about.



You know, if I had the money & I wasn't married (my wife probably wouldn't look kindly on risking our money on an idealistic crusade), I'd probably do it. I do give what I can to the EFF.

http://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/copyright/cases/tsr_vs_mayfair.html
 

RFisher said:
....
The closest thing I know of is the Mayfair v. TSR suit, & in that Mayfair had permission from TSR to say their products were compatible with AD&D. It was about whether Mayfair had broken the agreement rather than about trademark (or copyright). & still, the court only found that Mayfair had unintentionally violated some of the agreement & the agreement & the product line continued.

But I wouldn't be surprised that there are cases I don't know about.

You know, if I had the money & I wasn't married (my wife probably wouldn't look kindly on risking our money on an idealistic crusade), I'd probably do it. I do give what I can to the EFF.

RFisher, is this the part of the Mayfair Decision you are thinking about? Including the text of footnote 25?

Moreover, this opinion has twice commented on the apparent
overreaching by TSR in one part of the Agreement: prohibiting
Mayfair's truthful advertising of the fact that Role Aids
products may be utilized by members of the consuming public in
conjunction with rival role-playing games as well as with AD & D.
That restraint inhibits not only Mayfair's market among consumers
who have purchased (or might intend to purchase) role-playing
games from TSR's competitors but (not incidentally) also tends to
lessen the demand for those competitive games among purchasers of
Mayfair's Role Aids products. And again those anti-competitive
measures appear to find no rational support in TSR's legitimate
goals for protecting the integrity of its own trademarks. [FN24]
Whether or not those considerations invalidate that
particular restraint of trade has not been decided here, because
it need not be. But those considerations do tend to place in
sharper focus the effect of a rescission of the Agreement here.
Because of AD & D's prominence in the marketplace, any revocation
of Mayfair's permission to refer to AD & D with appropriate
disclaimers could bid fair to destroy Role Aids as a competitor
for the marketplace with TSR's own products intended for use in
that role-playing game. [FN25] What is.reflected in the total
record here simply does not support this Court's throwing its
weight into the competitive scales in that fashion, when TSR has
a fully adequate remedy in the form of its recouping any damages
that it can prove and its obtaining an injunction compelling
Mayfair's correction of past violations and preventing new
violations. [FN26]
FN25. Absent Mayfair's joinder in AD & D's prayer for
rescission, it is assumed here that Mayfair is willing to
continue to live with the specific ground rules set out in the
Agreement, rather than having both parties relegated to the
principles of law (such as fair use) that would apply in the
absence of contract.
 

I had already seen and been impressed with the Basic Fantasy Roleplaying Game: OSRIC looks an interesting extension of that principle, and the lauded goal of "Not a game, but a way to make stuff for a game" seems fair enough. Plus, having someone else type up a whole game engine and make it OGL is never a bd thing. :>

I'm still a bit underwhelmed with what the goal is, though. People who already make 1E fan material like the stuff on Dragonsfoot aren't going to be changed by this: only those who want to sell it. And how many people is that, really? It's a small subset of an already small industry, who by their very nature don't usually buy new product: I fail to see how it's going to, as the announcement on Dragonsfoot said, "Change the market forever".

Still, I've downloaded it and will be keeping an eye on it's progress. If grognards get a sideways way to buy new modules for their favourite game of choice, that's cool: and if nothing else, when my 1E core rules finally wear out, at least I've got a PDF that tells me most of them! ;-)
 

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