[OT] What is Minneapolis/St. Paul like?

Wow, all good information. I had no idea that Best Buy corp was there as well. I had received an email from someone at Northrup Grumin, located in Eagan, about a job, though it wasn't exactly up my alley (Teradata DB system support), but if the pay is right... who knows. I guess they support the USPS at that site.

And its funny how gamers are quick to provide the insights into how well established the local gamer scene and/or game store setup is. :)

How about the schools?
Which suburbs are better than others? More expensive? Have better schools, access to highways?
Isn't the Mall of America in Minneapolis? What other attractions are there? Is there a Symphony?
How is crime? How is the local economy?

Jhamin, not much into sports, but if the sports scene sucks, that might be just as well. Here, everyone is fanatical about the college teams, the KC Chiefs, and the Royals. Which, I guess is fine if you're into that kind of thing, but I kind of get sick of hearing about it.

Great information. Thanks, all!
 

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The Mall of America is in Bloomington, which is the largest suburb (or second largest, depending on how you classify Saint Paul), out by the airport. The suburbs by the airport (Bloomington, Burnsville, Richfield, Apple Valley and Eagan are the major ones) get a ton of airport noise (and even ones not as close, like Mendota Heights, were I grew up, can be on the flight path and get a ton of noise).

The most urban suburbs are those inner ring, like Bloomington and Brooklyn Park. The ritzy suburbs are also oddly closer to the downtowns than you would think, Edina and Eden Prairie as Minneapolis suburbs (southwest), and Shoreview and North Oaks as Saint Paul suburbs (northeast).

If you're looking for IT, look at Eden Prairie. There was a ton of IS job expansion out there during the late 1990s; I remember being astonished at all the tech stuff out there when I interviewed for Digital River. It's not as ritzy as Edina (Every Day I Need Attention in local lingo), and you're not that far from downtown. Burnsville and Apple Valle are other nice choices, at least for living purposes, a little more urban in Burnsville; I don't know about the tech situation out there. Apple Valley High had a very good rep for education, so I would assume the school system there is good. But then, even Saint Paul Central, a kind of a tough school, has a vaunted foreign language department. Some of the eastern suburbs, like Woodbury and Cottage Grove/Saint Paul Park, have good schools. I'm at that age where I've been out of school for awhile but I don't have kids yet myself, so I'm not much of an authority.

Access to highways is not a huge deal. I94 runs straight through the middle, and a branch of it, 694 (north)/494 (south) circle the town. Plus I35 splits and one split runs through Minneapolis, the other through Saint Paul. All of the suburbs I mentioned above have good highway access, save North Oaks. Just off the top of my head, if that's a criterium, add Plymouth, Fridley and Roseville to the list.

One other important thing to know -- this town goes to sleep early, especially Saint Paul. Downtown Saint Paul is a ghost town by 7pm. It nighttime activity is important for you, stay on the west side of the river. Actually, it's better here in Minneapolis for just about everything, but some Saint Paulites are in denial about that. :P

There is an orchestra -- two, I think. There's actually quite a bit of higher culture in downtown Saint Paul, though the plays all come to Minneapolis. There isn't that much crime -- there's more in the downtown areas, of course -- though Minneapolis did gain a bad name a few years ago when a bunch of drug dealers killed each other and some husbands killed their wives and everyone thought there was a crime spree. The Minneapolis police department has a bit of a national goonish reputation, not wholly without merit. The economy is about as good here as it is elsewhere, though there is always a little more money here.

As for the gaming scene, I would have trouble getting a group together at the University of Minnesota. French Resistance cells isn't a bad analogy. You need to hang out at a gaming store (Phoenix Games in the Uptown area of Minneapolis, Dreamhaven in Dinkytown by the University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, The Source in Falcon Heights). The big con is Minicon, around Easter time; never been myself, I know some folks I'd like to avoid who go all the time. Groups actually play in Phoenix and The Source (I'm in Phoenix every Saturday afternoon). You can find a pretty good selection of gaming material at the various Shinder's newstands, mixed in with the newspapers, magazines, comics and porn.

The apartment rents aren't rising much anymore, after the Hollman decree was implemented. My rent has stayed at about $600 for a couple of years, and I live in Uptown.

A note about Target -- I temped at Target Plaza North (10th Street South and Nicollet Mall) for about six months. When I was there, the pay wasn't great (I was a clerical temp after all), but the place was casual. Best employee cafeteria I've ever tried, and if no one cared, you could either go shopping on Nicollet Mall or sleep on a cot in the first aid room. It's by many good places to eat, the best record store in the cities (Let It Be Records) and the Scientology cult.

One final thought -- is it just me, or does every driver in the cities blow through yellow and fresh red lights? I'm a bus rider, and even the bus drivers do that. I don't remember seeing that happen so much when I was 16 and learning to drive. It's especially irritating around here because everyone jaywalks. What gives?
 

Actually, the big con now is CONvergence; most of MiniCon's attendance went there after the splintering five years ago. As for the driving habits, that's a holdover from winter driving skills; it's damn slippery, especially so on side streets, during the winter so going through yellows and fresh reds is hardly uncommon.
 

die_kluge said:
I felt like the smart thing to do would be to get out while the getting is still good, and before I lost my job altogether.

If your "one of the big three" is MCI/Worldcom, then NOW is definitely the time to get out. Yesterday or a year ago would be even better if you have access to a time machine.

Just a friendly warning from someone who has had too many friends work for the Enron of the communications industry.
 

Lord Rasputin said:
Dreamhaven in Dinkytown by the University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus,

Actually dreamhaven just went out of business in dinkytown. Which bites, cause I live a block from campus.

Otherwise I would say MSP/St Paul summed up about right.

There are 2 symphonys in the Twin Cities, both of them internationally reknown.

The transportation system is so-so at best. Public buses only, and their price is about to shoot up to $2.50 a ride. But at least now there is a rail system being put in, so things should improve.
 

One final thought -- is it just me, or does every driver in the cities blow through yellow and fresh red lights?
Heh, they (we) do that down here in Rochester too. Must be a MN thing. The only thing I can add a qualified opinion to is the symphony: the MN symphony is fantastic. Every summer there's a festival in St. Paul (viennafest? someone help me out here) where the Minneapolis Chamber Orchestra does a lot of performances. The arts scene is really good.
 

die_kluge said:
And its funny how gamers are quick to provide the insights into how well established the local gamer scene and/or game store setup is. :)

Outpost 2000 is within walking distance of my old home :-p

How about the schools?

At the risk of getting a little too political, there are nasty political situations involved with the public ones :-/

On the other hand, teachers have gotten much-needed pay-raises recently and Minnesota of course never cuts school funding. The newer schools are pretty darn extravagent.

Which suburbs are better than others? More expensive?

Eden Prairie, Edina and Wayzeta are generally considered 'ritzy' areas. Only Edina is over the top, though.

'Better' really depends on what you are looking for. Suburbs like Brooklyn Park are huge and rather strikingly diverse.

I live here so I like it :-)

Have better schools, access to highways?

Rightnow the northern stretch of I-94 is getting a -MAJOR- upgrade, but seriously it depends on where your job is at (I don't know where the Target HQ is).

The Osseo school district was pretty good... But honestly a lot of people are considering private or home schooling.

Isn't the Mall of America in Minneapolis?

Bloomington (south of Minneapolis). The Rosedale shopping center is in Roseville (just West of Minneapolis), which is just as massive all things considered. But there are large malls in many major suburbs.

What other attractions are there?

I've always been fond of that cherry on a spoon monument :-)

Honestly, I haven't been on the scene much, We have some great museums (had lots of fun in the science museum as a kid) - and even as a non-Christian the Basilica of Saint Mary is an impressive sight in my opinion.

There are a lot of parks. They are pretty safe during the day, but undesireables to show their faces from time to time :-/

Is there a Symphony?

Yes, and then some. You may want to check out the Orpheum Theatre and I believe there are others.

How is crime?

Nearly all crime in the Twin Cities metro area is concentrated in a large block of Minneapolis called the 'near north side'. It's not -terrible-, but not a place you want to live too close too.

Generally, lock your doors (on both your house and car), women should not walk alone at night, etc... People do these things and get away with it, and generally delinquents prefer easy targets (walk around at night checking the doors on cars to find one unlocked, etc.)

I've seen people leave their doors unlocked and their cars running for an hour at a time or more... silly people. You can get fined for doing that, by the way.

How is the local economy?

My opinion is that it's pretty good, given the state of the rest of the nation. That is usually how it is.

Jhamin, not much into sports, but if the sports scene sucks, that might be just as well.

Well, our sports teams are generally above average all around. They only get seriously hyped when they are doing -really- well, though.

Which happens every couple of years. This year was the Wyld - our hockey team.
 

The Chi-Lake area of South Minneapolis and a few run-down areas of St. Paul are about as bad as the Northeast end of Minneapolis. Crime in the Cities--street level stuff, that is--is, for the most part, confined to the ghetto neighborhoods of the Twin Cities proper. The suburbs have petty crime and some more urban crime--drug running, usually--but are otherwise as safe as it gets.

As for the suburbs, they're bland and safe- especially in the outer ring. They're not too gamer-friendly, unless you're talking video games and then only at home. (Not too many arcades anymore around here.) The Cities proper and the first-ring suburbs are where the wealth of local culture and such reside, so try to live as close to the center as you can.
 

die_kluge said:
Isn't the Mall of America in Minneapolis?

As others have stated, it sure is. That being said, I don't know alot of grownups who shop there regularly. It is a fun destination, and there are lots of weird shops that carry things you can only get there, but all in all most Twin Citians get their shirts and candles at one of our 6 other major malls.

What other attractions are there?

The Walker Art Center - One of the best collections of modern art in the US. It's attached sculpture garden is the home of the big cherry and spoon monument that is on most of our tourist stuff.

Minneapolis Institute of Arts - A large (and Free!) "traditional" art museaum. This is the one with all the marble statues & european oil paintings. It also has some beautyful art from Africa, Japan, and elsewhere.

The Minnesota Zoo - A sprawling Zoo focusing on the Asian Tropics, Ocean Life, and Minnesota wildlife (all the exotic stuff you can only see from a cabin in the middle of nowhere)

St. Paul Science Museum - Just moved to a new riverfront building from their old location. Lots of local geography, a large collection of dinosaur and prehistoric mammel fossils, a modern technology exibit, and an area devoted to travelling exhibits. Home of the Omni-Theatre. IMAX has nothing on a 80' screen that actually wraps over you in a huge, retracting dome.

Minnesota History Museum - How the state got to be the way it is. Free. Suprisingly interesting and rather extensive.

Minnehaha Falls - a St. Paul Park that happens to include a naturally occuring 50' waterfall.

Minnesota State Fair - A state fair, with corn dogs, 80's bands on tour, goat and horse shows. Kind of a pleasent way to spend a late summer day if you like crowds and $2 lemonade.

Rennesance Festival - I'm told it's one of the biggest, if you are into that sort of thing.

"Up North" - Northern Minnesota, near the Canadian Border is home to the Boundary Waters Canoe area. A vast state park that forbids any moterized vehicles of any kind past a point. Lots of the more outdoor types live for their two week vacations paddling canoes through lakes and rushes.

Fellow Minnesotans, any I am missing?
 
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Jhamin said:
Rennesance Festival - I'm told it's one of the biggest, if you are into that sort of thing.
Biggest and oldest. Its proceeds subsidise a handful of other faires that are also owned by the owner of MN's faire: Mid-America Festivals. Between CONvergence and Fest (as we locals, especially participants, call it) you'll run into a goodly majority of the Cities' many subcultures: gamers, pagans, things that Eric's Grandmother doesn't need to know, etc.

(I worked out there for eight years at the King's Academy of Arms, better known as The Fencing Booth, behind the line keeping it all together. (Meaning that I never went into the ring unless I ran the ring as a ringmaster, had to back him up during a match between drunks or had to run a piece of gear out to a ring for some reason or another; no super-awesome fencing skills here.) I did it as volunteer work for the University of Minnesota Fencing Club because the U of MN wouldn't fund the program.)
 

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