[OT] What is Minneapolis/St. Paul like?

Jhamin said:
As others have stated, it sure is. That being said, I don't know alot of grownups who shop there regularly. It is a fun destination, and there are lots of weird shops that carry things you can only get there, but all in all most Twin Citians get their shirts and candles at one of our 6 other major malls.

This is because - being the fricking Mall of America - prices are a lot higher their than they are elsewhere in the cities.

"Up North" - Northern Minnesota, near the Canadian Border is home to the Boundary Waters Canoe area. A vast state park that forbids any moterized vehicles of any kind past a point. Lots of the more outdoor types live for their two week vacations paddling canoes through lakes and rushes.

And you aren't supposed to even bring a watch :-)

Fellow Minnesotans, any I am missing?

Any potential Minnesotan ought to understand how they are going to cope with the Winter. If you don't like the cold, you better buy some winter clothing.

A supplemental heater never hurts (just don't put it somewhere where it's going to start a fire), an ice scraper is a must as is a full tank of windsheild wiper fluid to get that salt off your windshield.

If you aren't used to driving in icy conditions and your car does not have antilock brakes, I would highly advise acquiring one with such. People with out of state plates cause most of our accidents in the winter, I believe.

Invest in hand lotion and chapstick :-)
 

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People have covered most of the stuff. I'll try and cover some of the stuff that got missed.

Valleyfair: An amusement park down in Shakopee. Not far from the cities.

I think the race track (Canterbury) is still in operation, but it is always struggling.

We've had quite a few casinos pop up. I've never been in them (don't want to even start gambling), so I can't comment on how good they are.

When you live here, you will hear lots of people talk about 'going up north to the cabin for the weekend.' There are a lot of nice areas north of the cities for camping, fishing, snowmobiling, cross-country skiing, and such. The Boundary Waters Canoe Area (BWCA) is lovely, so is the North Shore of the Great Lakes. Lots of people like to go up to these areas, especially in the fall as the leaves are changing.

Bookstores are everywhere. We have two of the best used book stores in the nation -- Uncle Hugo's and Dreamhaven Books. Dreamhaven gets more business from games since it is across the street from Pheonix Games, but both are worth visiting.

Food often suffers from Minnesota Bland. I'm a native of the state, BTW. Some people here do consider ketchup a spice. There are places where you can convince the cooks to actually put some zing in the food, most of them run by Hmong, but by default you have to order something extra spicy just to get some flavor.

Avoid ludefisk. Really, the stuff is absolutely vile. If someone trys to get you to go to Mora or Cambridge for some, politely decline. There are other swedish and norwegian dishes that are good, just avoid the ludefisk.

The last couple of years have been harsh as far as finding work, but that is slowly recovering. We have a lot of little tech companies here, and most of the older engineers here worked for CDC or Unisys at one time or another.

I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting about, hopefully someone else will fill in with them.
 

So, schools are good, crime isn't so bad, the food sucks, live on the inside of the outer highways to both avoid crime, and traffic. Dont' shop at the Mall of America, symphonies are good, avoid the ludefisk, wait cautiously before driving when the light turns green, carry chapstick and hand lotion, keep a full thing of wiper fluid, get a car with anti-lock breaks, change my license plates right away, big ren fest, lots of outdoor activities, learn to appreciate books more, learn to cross-country ski.

Did I forget anything?

Krieg, fortunately I do not work for MCI/Worldcom.

Kansas City has some casinos, and I have no interest in them. I think I've been to two of them, once each. So, I'm not what you'd call a big gambler.

My wife is always bugging me to go snow-skiing. Are there places to snow-ski in that area?

We're definitely not into camping, so that's a non-issue for us. We do like to eat out, so the fact that the food is awful is a bit of a bummer. My wife did spend several months in Sweden, though, so if she can get marzipon(sp) she'll be happy.

Jhamin, the south really loves their Wal-Marts. The further away from Bentonville, AR you get, the more Wal-Marts both suck, and the more people hate them. We pretty much shop at Target exclusively now. The Wal-Mart store across the street from the HQ is immaculate, and I loved shopping there. The ones here are asylums for degenerates and lepers, and are places of filth and trash.
 

There is a few places to ski around.. Not as much as when I lived in Rapid City, SD and the Black Hills.

Also I dont think anyone mentioned we have one of the largest ren fairs in the US. But that is besides the point..

I will let you know something else. I just moved here and you need to take into account the state income tax. It is the second highest state tax, CA being the first. So, if you take a job up here compute with that.

BTW, I am from CA and I find the food out here fairly good. I guess it depends on where you go. I also live in Rochester, which is an hour south of the cities. And we have a LOT of immigrants up here for some reason and we have some of the best chinese I have ever eaten...
 


So, schools are good, crime isn't so bad, the food sucks,


The food doesn't really suck. I'm originally from NYC, living out here for four years, and there are plenty of good restaurants. You'll pay a premium for good seafood (coming from KC, you're probably in the same boat), and you may need to request a little extra spice in your food now and again. But I seriously doubt the situation here is any different from KC. You've got better barbeque no doubt, but the Cities have got everything else you'd want.

IT-wise, I can tell you that things appear to be loosening up slightly in the job market. My shop has opened up a few positions in the last few months, and I know of other places that are hiring as well. It's still not great, to be sure, but it is improving a little.

I think I must be in one of those French resistance cells :-). I don't know any gamers outside of my local group. I know they exist, since I see them at the Source.
 

Re: Twin Cities...

Lopan said:
Let me know if you're serious about looking for employment in the area; I can direct you towards the right information.

Lopan - direct away. :)

Or, you can email me at die_kluge@ureach.com

At this point, I really don't know what else to do. Yes, I do hate to leave Kansas City, I do like it here, but I also have to plan for my future and my family, and the only solution to that problem is to leave. I'm going to play it by ear at this point, but if I do find a good opportunity in Minneapolis/St. Paul, I would probably be inclined to take it.
 

Shouit, yea in the "comparison" information, most of them list the cost of living in Minneapolis/St. Paul as higher than Kansas City. I think partly due to the fact that a lot of the data is really old, and some of the suburbs here have grown like wildfire in the past 10 years. I know some of the data is wrong because I compared Overland Park (now the biggest city in Kansas, and a suburb to Kansas City) to Minneapolis, and it said that the average price of a 2,000 sq.ft. home in O.P. was $196. I know for a fact that there are absolutely zero homes in Overland Park that sell for less than $200k. I know. I've looked.

But it did show the income tax stuff being really high. So, that was surprising. Everything else was more less the same.


The Twin Cities must be more dense as well. It doesn't seem to be geographically very large, but has a population of over 3 million. Which is surprising. Kansas City is fairly large geographically, but is only about 1.6 million in the metro area.
 

I work for a very large tech company (IBM) down here in Rochester, if you are interested, I can direct you to some places around here. Also Mayo Clinic may need IT people, and you cannot get better benefits then the "world famous" Mayo Clinic.


Drop me an email shouit@mortality.net
 
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I don't know anything about the twin cities... but it's pretty funny to hear Minnesotans complain about the heat and humidity they suffer through. Yeah right!

In Florida we've got way more heat and humidity... and it's year round... but please note... I'm not complaining. I actually like it. :D

--sam
 

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