D&D 4E Paizo and 4e.

[med stud]

Here's how: If I want to play my homebrew campaign setting with the updated rules, I have to not only wait for next year's books to come out (and hope that they will be published there and not year 3 books). Not only that, there will be large sections of the default rules that do not apply to my homebrew. I don't want Thor as a god and tieflings as a major race.

So not only do I have to tell my players, "You can't use these rules. No, I mean it. The answer is still no, Mark. I haven't changed my mind, Mark. I'm still saying no," but I also have to write my own races and classes. If a game requires this much work to make it work, its not worth it.

I can't see the problem. Play your homebrew with the rules that are available and add more up when they come. Make it clear in advance for your players that you will be the judge on what material will be used in your campaign.

 

[carmachu]

How many people have posted on these forums that 3e killed their desire to DM? Quite a few. If 4e makes DMing easier, then that could pull in DMs that 3e lost and make those going from 3e to 4e very happy to switch.

Doubtful on quite a few.

I love in in other threads, opinions posted here(on enworld) get discounted on the dissent of 4e, and how it doesnt represent the whole. YET, now you(in this particluar case) are using posting of a few people on the same said forum that "quite a few" people have had their desire killed by 3e's difficulties.

Cant have it both ways folks. Pick one. Either the forum views are valid or their not. Cant cherry pick here.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Cant have it both ways folks. Pick one. Either the forum views are valid or their not. Cant cherry pick here.

Quoted for truth.

RC

 

[tenkar]

So what is the Half Orc Druid suppose to do until the appropriate books come out? How long do I have to wait before the Half Orc Druid gets to play his current character?

I'm fairly sure rules for half-orcs as PCs will be in the MM.

As for druids... if you are willing to wait a week after release I am sure there will be multiple free variants on this site and others to choose from. I fully expect the community will fill in the gaps where necessary.

I believe there are many players that will be mourning the loss of druids, bards, and scores of other classes that can be found in various 3.5 releases from WotC and are therefore considered by many to be "core" of sorts.

If converting your campaign from 3.5 to 4.0 isn't worth the effort (and I expect that it will be much more difficult for some then others) then stick with 3.5 or end the old and start fresh.

No one is being forced to go with the new edition. As it stands now there is more 3.5 material out there then could actually be used in a lifetime of gaming.

 

[tenkar]

Doubtful on quite a few.

I love in in other threads, opinions posted here(on enworld) get discounted on the dissent of 4e, and how it doesnt represent the whole. YET, now you(in this particluar case) are using posting of a few people on the same said forum that "quite a few" people have had their desire killed by 3e's difficulties.

Cant have it both ways folks. Pick one. Either the forum views are valid or their not. Cant cherry pick here.

Quite a few people had problems with 3e. 3e did kill my desire to DM. From a player's perspective it is a much better system with the abundance of options... that same abundance makes it less fun for me as a DM.

Quite a few people have problems with what they perceive 4e will be as a system. I can understand that but as we have few hard facts at the moment most arguments, both pro and con, are more emotion then facts.

If 4e makes DMing a pleasure again for me I'll be happy. If not I still have C&C.

 

[Twowolves]

I'm fairly sure rules for half-orcs as PCs will be in the MM.

As for druids... if you are willing to wait a week after release I am sure there will be multiple free variants on this site and others to choose from. I fully expect the community will fill in the gaps where necessary.

I believe there are many players that will be mourning the loss of druids, bards, and scores of other classes that can be found in various 3.5 releases from WotC and are therefore considered by many to be "core" of sorts.

If converting your campaign from 3.5 to 4.0 isn't worth the effort (and I expect that it will be much more difficult for some then others) then stick with 3.5 or end the old and start fresh.

No one is being forced to go with the new edition. As it stands now there is more 3.5 material out there then could actually be used in a lifetime of gaming.

Wow! In one post we get:

1) "make it up yourself" (despite the fact that no one knows how the new rules will work, especially for things like the new magic system)

2) "use internet posted material" (knowing full well that when PHBII/III/IV comes out with an official version, you have to retcon the character, perhaps drasticly)

3) "if that's too hard, don't play 4th ed" (you aren't their target audience)

4) "druids aren't really 'core'" (despite the fact they were core in 1st ed, 2nd ed and 3rd ed)

and the coop d' grass:
5) "no one is forcing you to play 4th ed!!1!!"

The only thing missing is "I, for one, welcome our new Fruit Roll-Up masters!"


The issue of converting 3.5 druids to 4th ed (assuming druids aren't in the PHB I) is a valid concern for some people, I daresay a lot of people. Handwaving away those concerns like this is not a real answer to a valid concern. It's borderline rudely dismissive.

 

[Raven Crowking]

I, for one, welcome our new Fruit Roll-Up masters!

 

[Michael Morris]

TwoWolves, dial it down a notch or three please.

 

[Jim Hague]

Doubtful on quite a few.

I love in in other threads, opinions posted here(on enworld) get discounted on the dissent of 4e, and how it doesnt represent the whole. YET, now you(in this particluar case) are using posting of a few people on the same said forum that "quite a few" people have had their desire killed by 3e's difficulties.

Cant have it both ways folks. Pick one. Either the forum views are valid or their not. Cant cherry pick here.

Uh, that's a serious logical fallacy - you can have different views that are valid or invalid, especially here on the forums. You're applying the fallacy of the excluded middle; it's not either/or, it's a spectrum.

 

[carmachu]

Quite a few people had problems with 3e. 3e did kill my desire to DM. From a player's perspective it is a much better system with the abundance of options... that same abundance makes it less fun for me as a DM.

Quite a few people have problems with what they perceive 4e will be as a system. I can understand that but as we have few hard facts at the moment most arguments, both pro and con, are more emotion then facts.

If 4e makes DMing a pleasure again for me I'll be happy. If not I still have C&C.

Thats fine. I have not said no one didnt have their desire to DM killed by 3e's complications.

What I am saying is.....I'd hazard that there are more people not wanting to switch to 4e then there are people who dont want to DM due to 3e, AND that more than a few people have discounted that due to...whatever internet screaming or what ever its called.

My point remains......if your going to discard the statistics of enworld on dissent of those who dont want to swtich to 4e(as I have seen posted more than a few times, and elsewhere) as that the internet doesnt represent the whole......Well, it stands to reason you cant use the same said numbers to prove things like 3e cause "a whole mess" of people to not want to DM either.

It seems that, as far as I read, when it comes to good for 4e, or putting down something on 3e....internet statistics are good. Dissent for 4e? Sorry, not representative of the whole.

Sorry, doesnt work like that.