Paladins
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Happy Monkey
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I like Paladins a lot.
I hate the idea of 8 other core classes based on the Paladin but having differing alignment.
For all that is holy, rename them (do NOT put an "anti" in front of it) and make them each totally different if you must.
I do wonder about several mechanics however:
- smite once per day?
should progress with levels
- remove disease *x?
rather specific power often unused
- hardwired called warhorse when this looks like a cohort issue
not really too much the issue as called mounts rock but more choice = fun
- spells, the lack of bulls strength and endurance
warrior spells extraodinaire, also low level so will actually become available. Core 2nd lvl choice = the pits
Despite my moan I am only thinking of swapping in/out some select spells.
I hate the idea of 8 other core classes based on the Paladin but having differing alignment.
For all that is holy, rename them (do NOT put an "anti" in front of it) and make them each totally different if you must.
I do wonder about several mechanics however:
- smite once per day?
should progress with levels
- remove disease *x?
rather specific power often unused
- hardwired called warhorse when this looks like a cohort issue
not really too much the issue as called mounts rock but more choice = fun
- spells, the lack of bulls strength and endurance
warrior spells extraodinaire, also low level so will actually become available. Core 2nd lvl choice = the pits
Despite my moan I am only thinking of swapping in/out some select spells.
Happy Monkey
First Post
There certainly is a place for unholy warriors. Not Fighter/Clerics either, "pure" fighting types with good bab/hd, etc.
The Blackguard is okay as a prestige class but being a prestige class it is more the higher champion. I guess the unholy warrior could just be a description but it is always nice to back it up with a mechanic.
The Blackguard is okay as a prestige class but being a prestige class it is more the higher champion. I guess the unholy warrior could just be a description but it is always nice to back it up with a mechanic.
Creamsteak
Explorer
Wanna see something a bit insane?
Solumice Construprare
Human Paladin 44/Divine Emissary 6 1,225,000 xp
Hit Dice: 44d10+220 Paladin, 6d10+30 Divine Emissary (505 hp)
Initiative: +5 (+5 Dex)
Speed: 30 ft.
AC: 25 (+5 Dex, +6 Armor, +4 Shield)
Attacks: +20 Favored Weapon +81/+76/+71/+66 melee; Smite Evil +100 melee; or Mighty [60 Str] Composite Longbow +42/+37/+32/+27
Damage: +20 Favored Weapon 1d8+45; Smite Evil 1d8+1045; Composite Longbow 1d8+27
Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Detect evil at will, divine inspiration 2/day, granted domain, greater planar ally 1/day, lay on hands 836 hp/day, paladin spells, remove disease 14/day, smite evil 3/day, turn undead
Special Qualitites: Associates, aura of courage, code of conduct, divine grace, divine health, special mount
Saves: Fort +79, Ref +73, Will +73
Abilities: Str 32 (60), Dex 20, Con 20, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20 (48)
Skills:
Feats: Cleave, Dodge, Expertise, Great Cleave, Mobility, Power Attack, Spring Attack, Weapon Focus (Favored Weapon)
Epic Feats: Great Smiting (x19)
+20 Favored Weapon (8,000,000)
Cloak of Epic Charisma +28 (7,840,000)
Ring of Epic Resistance +28 (7,840,000)
Guantlets of Epic Strength +28 (7,840,000)
Ring of Universal Elemental Resistance, Major (216,000)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Scabberd of Keen Edges (15,000)
+2 Arrows (50) (8,350)
+2 Mithral Shirt (5,100)
+2 Mithral Shield (5,020)
Mighty Composite (+25 Str bonus) (2,900)
Spare Cash 2,630
Detect Evil: PBH 42
Divine Grace: PHB 42
Lay on Hands: PHB 42
Divine Health: PHB 42
Aura of Courage: PHB 42
Smite Evil: PHB 42
Remove disease: PHB 42
Turn Undead: As a 42nd levle Cleric, PHB 139
Spells: Spells per day: 5+1/4+1/4+1/4+1, 25th Caster Level, PHB 167
Special Mount: PHB 43
Paladin Light Warhorse
Hit Dice: 3d10+18 (magical beast) + 18d8+108 (bonus) (159 hp)
Initiative: +1 (Dex)
Speed: 60 ft.
AC: 34 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +24 natural)
Attacks: 2 hooves +20 melee; bite +15 melee
Damage: Hoof 1d4+7; bite 1d3+3
Face/reach: 5 ft. by 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Qualities: Command warhorses, empathic link, improved evasion, saving throws, share spells, spell resistance 55
Saves: Fort +17, Ref +15, Will +8
Abilities: Str 25, Dex 13, Con 22, Int 9, Wis 13, Cha 6
Skills: Listen +25, Spot +25
Code of Conduct: PHB 43
Associates: PHB 43
Granted Domain: ELH 28
Divine Inspiration: ELH 28
Greater Planar Ally: ELH 28
Divine Hand: ELH 28
Solumice Construprare
Human Paladin 44/Divine Emissary 6 1,225,000 xp
Hit Dice: 44d10+220 Paladin, 6d10+30 Divine Emissary (505 hp)
Initiative: +5 (+5 Dex)
Speed: 30 ft.
AC: 25 (+5 Dex, +6 Armor, +4 Shield)
Attacks: +20 Favored Weapon +81/+76/+71/+66 melee; Smite Evil +100 melee; or Mighty [60 Str] Composite Longbow +42/+37/+32/+27
Damage: +20 Favored Weapon 1d8+45; Smite Evil 1d8+1045; Composite Longbow 1d8+27
Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Detect evil at will, divine inspiration 2/day, granted domain, greater planar ally 1/day, lay on hands 836 hp/day, paladin spells, remove disease 14/day, smite evil 3/day, turn undead
Special Qualitites: Associates, aura of courage, code of conduct, divine grace, divine health, special mount
Saves: Fort +79, Ref +73, Will +73
Abilities: Str 32 (60), Dex 20, Con 20, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20 (48)
Skills:
Feats: Cleave, Dodge, Expertise, Great Cleave, Mobility, Power Attack, Spring Attack, Weapon Focus (Favored Weapon)
Epic Feats: Great Smiting (x19)
+20 Favored Weapon (8,000,000)
Cloak of Epic Charisma +28 (7,840,000)
Ring of Epic Resistance +28 (7,840,000)
Guantlets of Epic Strength +28 (7,840,000)
Ring of Universal Elemental Resistance, Major (216,000)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Tome (137,500)
Scabberd of Keen Edges (15,000)
+2 Arrows (50) (8,350)
+2 Mithral Shirt (5,100)
+2 Mithral Shield (5,020)
Mighty Composite (+25 Str bonus) (2,900)
Spare Cash 2,630
Detect Evil: PBH 42
Divine Grace: PHB 42
Lay on Hands: PHB 42
Divine Health: PHB 42
Aura of Courage: PHB 42
Smite Evil: PHB 42
Remove disease: PHB 42
Turn Undead: As a 42nd levle Cleric, PHB 139
Spells: Spells per day: 5+1/4+1/4+1/4+1, 25th Caster Level, PHB 167
Special Mount: PHB 43
Paladin Light Warhorse
Hit Dice: 3d10+18 (magical beast) + 18d8+108 (bonus) (159 hp)
Initiative: +1 (Dex)
Speed: 60 ft.
AC: 34 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +24 natural)
Attacks: 2 hooves +20 melee; bite +15 melee
Damage: Hoof 1d4+7; bite 1d3+3
Face/reach: 5 ft. by 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Qualities: Command warhorses, empathic link, improved evasion, saving throws, share spells, spell resistance 55
Saves: Fort +17, Ref +15, Will +8
Abilities: Str 25, Dex 13, Con 22, Int 9, Wis 13, Cha 6
Skills: Listen +25, Spot +25
Code of Conduct: PHB 43
Associates: PHB 43
Granted Domain: ELH 28
Divine Inspiration: ELH 28
Greater Planar Ally: ELH 28
Divine Hand: ELH 28
Happy Monkey
First Post
Creamsteak, am I correct in thinking that at epic level AC does not matter?
reapersaurus
Explorer
Just a few comments:
A couple of you are quite right in wanting to modify the PHB Paladin:
--- Cleric/Fighter is more effective in almost all aspects.
--- They should get more smites per day.
-- They should have a spell list closer to the Holy Liberator (add the obvious ones)
--- There is already a CG Paladin (Holy Crusader) and a NG Paladin (Soldier of Light in MotP, I think)
A couple of you are quite right in wanting to modify the PHB Paladin:
--- Cleric/Fighter is more effective in almost all aspects.
--- They should get more smites per day.
-- They should have a spell list closer to the Holy Liberator (add the obvious ones)
--- There is already a CG Paladin (Holy Crusader) and a NG Paladin (Soldier of Light in MotP, I think)
Darklone
Registered User
Darkness said:
Better.
My favorite paladin story (except for the Lady Despina successors) is this:
Little war in little country. Small army of defenders, large armies of orcs. Every human desperately awaits the arrival of an allied army but noone has heard anything about them (They didn't come actually).
Paladin finds a medium sized group of orcs just setting camp. He rides into it at full charge, stops and opens his visor in front of the chiefs camp and asks him politely for the way to his army (the one supposed to come to help) cause it should be around here.
The orcs chieftain thinks for one second ("Paladins.... don't ... lie...!") and orders immediate retreat.
The paladin atoned for three months in a monastery in the mountains
Darth Biere
First Post
Attoning in a monestary for three months 'cause of lying to a warband of orcs is one of those wink,wink, nudge things. The Paladin has to go sit under a waterfall and think on his 'transgression', but 'defeating' a larger force like that, alone and with no injuries deserves to have the glory, and the praise that will get tossed his way. But , I'm also of the opinion that somepeople expect a paladin to charge in and get killed for stupid reasons. They seem to expect a trained warrior to act like a movie stereotype.
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