Pathfinder level 20

[Shayuri]

It's not the fall that would kill me, its the negative energy/lack of air, and my inability to escape the plane.

For that matter, I don't think there even IS a 'ground' in the Negative Energy Plane. I think it's pretty much just a giant void, if memory serves.

Also, I want to say that I am in no way attacking WarlockLord...he's doing what's in-character and it's all fine. But reading that 'travel' function of Wish, it's a little disquieting what can be done with it. The people you're sending to other planes don't even have to be there with you. There's nothing except a supply of diamonds to stop Malacarus from just sitting in his den, and every half hour casting Wish: "I wish the Broken Eagles were all in the Negative Material Plane."

We could get out each time, sure...but there'd be no way to stop him. I guess we could start wishing him away too...but at that point the game is just becoming a farcical comedy, which is not what any of us want it to be.

I think, for Wish and perhaps Gate, the experience costs in 3.5 might have been better left in. That really made sure you were SERIOUS when you cast the spell. You couldn't just spam it to mess with people. You'd be hosing yourself too.

 

[Scott DeWar]

However: the moment things happen determines what happens.


3) (same init as Mal) the Balor pulls Thad towards him with Telekinesis(quickened) and full attacks Hedron (reduce each attack roll by 1, actually, due to -1 from Str loss). Let me know which ones hit you, Hedron, and if you're grappled.
4) Hedron gets to make his attacks on the Balor, or break out of the whip grapple if he's grappled.

Does that settle things?

so, if I understand correctly, the whip was used against Thorn, missing, and the longsword is against Hedron? because he is moved through a threatened hex with the telekinesis he has one attack of opportunity? Am I correct?

If this is indeed correct, then the following attacks from it hit

42/31/34 doing 22+17+22 damage for a total of 61 hp.
42/40/31 for the whip doing 8+4+8+6+8+6=40 hp

except there is a minus 1 to strength bonus, so therefore a minus 1 to each hit (-6)

95 total this round.

re grapple: Ring of freedom of movement-no grapple condition

 

[WarlockLord]

I think, for Wish and perhaps Gate, the experience costs in 3.5 might have been better left in. That really made sure you were SERIOUS when you cast the spell. You couldn't just spam it to mess with people. You'd be hosing yourself too.

I have to agree. Except honestly, maybe just drop gate. Seriously, google "Frank Trollman", "gate", and "taquitos" for a full list of stupid abuses.

 

[Thaven]

Well I think the limitation was imposed by Fire "In ten words or less tell me what your wish is." Perhaps he recognized the pain caused by the lack of XP now for Wish?

 

[fireinthedust]

so, if I understand correctly, the whip was used against Thorn, missing, and the longsword is against Hedron? because he is moved through a threatened hex with the telekinesis he has one attack of opportunity? Am I correct?

No.

The whip was used in an AoO on Thorn and missed her. She moved by and is on the other side of the Balor. This was part of her action, not the Balor's action.

On *its* turn it full-attacked Hedron, who'd been pulled by a quickened action (telekinesis). The full attack includes both the 4 longsword attacks and the 3 whip attacks, with the whip attacks *also* attempting a grapple.

And since you have the ring of freedom of movement, you're not grappled? Cool!



Wish in 10 words: Naw, that's just always been my experience with Wish: sure, you get a wish, but you have to WORD the wish. As in, "I wish for more wishes" or what have you. In this case Mal has to word the wish, and keep it short (10 words or less, I guess). Sort of a buyer beware deal.

And if Mal wanted to truly screw the group, plane shift to the plane of Earth, to where there are loads of diamonds, and use those. Not infinite in supply, but one sizeable pocket would do just fine. ...whoops. (sorry Eagles!)

The Negative Energy Plane... I'm not sure if it's a void or a place charged with what 4e would call "necrotic" energy (which sounded fun in the 4e phb).

 

[WarlockLord]

Hmm. I'd kinda like to get your opinion on the void first/ground thing first. Very well, here's the wording. Would Malacarus be able to use another of his many languages to say multiple words in one? (Also, do I have to preface it with I wish?)

"Teleport Rook, Thorn, Hedron to the Negative Energy Plane immediately."

But my group's understanding of wishes is pretty much that everything on the list works without a hitch, and if you go off the list, literalness ensues. Sorry about that.

Also, about the Earth plane: yeah, we're planar binding earth elementals to get us some bling.

 

[Thaven]

Hmm. I'd kinda like to get your opinion on the void first/ground thing first. Very well, here's the wording. Would Malacarus be able to use another of his many languages to say multiple words in one? (Also, do I have to preface it with I wish?)

"Teleport Rook, Thorn, Hedron to the Negative Energy Plane immediately."

But my group's understanding of wishes is pretty much that everything on the list works without a hitch, and if you go off the list, literalness ensues. Sorry about that.

Also, about the Earth plane: yeah, we're planar binding earth elementals to get us some bling.

And the DM here asked ya to word it. Sall good.

fire, since malacarus never met rook in game, you'll need to determine whether or not he is able to say 'oh that's rook, send him away
Immediatelly for if he needs to waste words on describing rook as 'the two bladed foe fighting my gated balor"

Potentially saving hedron and thorn from being affected.

Ponder on that and let us know.

 

[Shayuri]

You do realize that falling damage maxes out at 20 dice, right?

Even if she's a mile up and there is a ground, she'll only take 20 dice damage. That hurts, but it's far short of what's required to kill her.

And that's assuming that she can't get her flying carpet out before she hits the ground.

 

[fireinthedust]

Rook's name: Hrm, good question. Although if he doesn't know it, I'll let him re-word the wish (possibly to include the word "and").

Dratted pbp means punctuation isn't something I can ignore as I can in RL: "who's Rook Thornhedron? (wish fizzle)" Nope, can't pull that GM-trickery...

I guess the question would be (objectively) would Rook and Mal know each other. In theory Rook knows the Broken Eagles. He may have adventured with them before, too. However, that also means Mal could know all about Rook, seeing as Mal has been the campaign villain for some time. Also, Rook is 20th level, and the campaign assumes usually that the majority of life on the planet is 6th level or so (ie: hordes of goblins, only a few dragons, and most of them aren't CR20).

I'll rule that Rook is famous enough to be known of by Mal. Whether they've met is another thing, however...

1) does Mal have Divination as a school he can cast from? ergo Scrying is an option.
2) Does Rook have "worked with the Broken Eagles" in his history?

 

[Thaven]

I'm happy to accept the Mal could have heard of Rook; the question becomes in 12 seconds would be Mal able to identify him readily based on that to say "oh I know exactly who that is" this is his name, begone.

Not sure that's plausible.

No, Rook never had it in his history as having worked with the Broken Eagles. To him, the Emperor needs no one else's help solving the Empire's problems. In some ways, deep down, he begrudges the Eagles for the Emperor's request. (That being that Rook should join the eagles to help solve this mystery of why the attempt on his life was made, etc etc).