PHB1 Powers and Feats, as they'd be written today

[Garthanos]

Getting into house rule territory.

Jay

The whole thread is pretty much that way ;-) "as they would be written today" can be awfully close to "as I would write them" aka "as I would houserule them" today.

 

[DonAdam]

I like the +1[W] on double hit for Twin Strike, and all multi-attack powers. I was thinking something very similar: if both attacks hit, add your Wis mod.

Would you up it to +2[W] at 21st?

 

[Garthanos]

I like the +1[W] on double hit for Twin Strike, and all multi-attack powers.

hmmmm sounds like you are making it more potent if two rolls hit? umm it not need be more potent at all..

I think DS' write up give me what I need ... though I am now trying to settle on a proper careful strike to go with it ;-).

 

[DonAdam]

I meant +1W instead of a second hit, not in addition.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I meant +1W instead of a second hit, not in addition.

I wonder if they shouldn't write a kind of "fix" or clarification for multiclass feats that give fixed trained skills. As it stands, multiclassing classes from the same arcane, divine and primal power source is often a bad idea, since most multiclass feats grant a skill you already have by the virtue of your primary class and - at least as far as I can see and the Character Builder suggests - can't retrain.

 

[Undrhil]

Wow, this thread sure meandered off-topic. From "PHB1 Powers and Feats, as they'd be written today" --------------------------> "PHB1 Powers and Feats, how they'd be balanced today". Different subject entirely.

And on topic, since I am surely no rules lawyer, just a common sense seeking gamer, I would understand if WotC re-released PHB1 (and Martial Power? maybe?) with post PHB2 style rewordings, but I would also be upset. Having preordered the 4e books, I would feel a little miffed about not having the updated version.

Jay

So ... you didn't get the memo that they released the "deluxe" edition core books which had the published errata slipstreamed in? Or did you go out and buy those books when they were released? Or are those the books you pre-ordered?

 

[DracoSuave]

I wonder if they shouldn't write a kind of "fix" or clarification for multiclass feats that give fixed trained skills. As it stands, multiclassing classes from the same arcane, divine and primal power source is often a bad idea, since most multiclass feats grant a skill you already have by the virtue of your primary class and - at least as far as I can see and the Character Builder suggests - can't retrain.

Might be a balance issue tho, where selecting your feat is slightly more powerful than having one just given to you that you can't pick. The redundancy issue might be a part of that balance, as a cost to taking that multiclass.

 

[Turtlejay]

So ... you didn't get the memo that they released the "deluxe" edition core books which had the published errata slipstreamed in? Or did you go out and buy those books when they were released? Or are those the books you pre-ordered?

Sure I got that memo, but I was referencing the hypothetical power rewrites that had been discussed in this thread. Of course, since I use the CB like a lot of folks, I might not actually be interested in such a book, but was channeling snark that day for some reason.

It is bad form to do sell books in that way. To be fair, WotC should consider releasing the errata as a standalone packet to be tucked inside your existing books. Maybe provide such a product free of charge at gamedays and the like?

A lot of folks won't care, since power rewrites will update the compendium, and the CB, and that is what will get used.

Jay

 

[DracoSuave]

It is bad form to do sell books in that way. To be fair, WotC should consider releasing the errata as a standalone packet to be tucked inside your existing books. Maybe provide such a product free of charge at gamedays and the like?

The alternative, releasing new printings -without- errata, is even worse form.

And they do provide it for free. On their website. That all their books point to. In a printable form. That they update completely.

They do this in the most cost-effective manner possible that has the greatest ability to reach the most people.

The internet is -far- more ubiquitous

A lot of folks won't care, since power rewrites will update the compendium, and the CB, and that is what will get used.

Jay

Well yeah, but not everyone is on the internet and has insider. Errata and updates, however, are attainable by everyone.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Might be a balance issue tho, where selecting your feat is slightly more powerful than having one just given to you that you can't pick. The redundancy issue might be a part of that balance, as a cost to taking that multiclass.

I don't see how that could work.
If I multiclass as a Fighter with Paladin, I get a new trained skill, but as a Cleric I would not. Does the Cleric gain so much more by becoming a Paladin than the Fighter? Fighter, Cleric and Paladin all have strength based powers and can use Wisdom as secondary ability score.
Multiclassing Fighter with Paladin is probably more benefitial than Paladin with Cleric, too, because you know get access to feats based on power source.

I think it's more a design artifact than a balancing tool.